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CLIMATE How the U.S. fell behind in lithium, the ‘white gold’ of electric vehicles
CNBC ^ | 15 Jan 2022 | Jeniece Pettitt

Posted on 01/15/2022 9:48:28 AM PST by DUMBGRUNT

In order to power all of these EVs, we will need batteries — lots of them.

This vital mineral in rechargeable batteries has earned the name “white gold” and the rush is on.

But until the 1990s, the U.S. was the leader in lithium production.

But there is only one operating lithium mine in the U.S., Albemarle’s Silver Peak in Nevada.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnbc.com ...


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Some light-duty ciphering is needed. Dust off the calculator, check the batteries. A little RPN (Reverse Polish notation)is good for the brain.

Australia produced 40,000 metric tons, the USA produced 870.

15 MILLION cars & light trucks were sold in US last year. Atypical EV used ~18 pounds of lithium, 77 pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, and 30 pounds of cobalt.

EVs are currently 2% of the US market.

20PPM is considered a good number for a lithium mine.

A cubic yard of earth weights ~2200 pounds.

How many cubic meters of lithium ore will be processed for the 2021 USA EV sales?

Some extra fun: The size of the spoils cone with an angle of repose of 30 degrees?

1 posted on 01/15/2022 9:48:28 AM PST by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Mining for vehicle-battery raw materials will be the greatest environmental catastrophe ever to befall Earth.

And the environments destruction caused by solar and wind “farms” will be a close second.


2 posted on 01/15/2022 9:52:05 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy." ― Mao Zedong [FJB])
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Are they using EV to do the mining?

What fraction of the Li in an EV battery is recyclable?


3 posted on 01/15/2022 9:56:48 AM PST by Paladin2 (🍊 )
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To: Paladin2
Recycling is an environmental disaster.

Recycled printed circuit boards.


4 posted on 01/15/2022 9:59:48 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy." ― Mao Zedong [FJB])
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To: DUMBGRUNT

PHOOEY to batteries to power cars!!!!

PHOOEY to wind turbines!!!!

We have time to develop REAL advanced energy technologies, without burdening the poor and middle class with super-high prices for transportation and power!!!!


5 posted on 01/15/2022 10:01:27 AM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Another thought. Lithium is highly dangerous. During the Castle Bravo test scientists found that lithium-6 fuses just about as well as lithium-7. There is a lot more lithium-6 than lithium-7 in the world. And it upped the yield of the test from 6 megatons to about 15 megatons, completely unplanned, and caused the worst radialogical disaster in history. So given that both are clearly dangerous nuclear fuels we should not be using such materials for huge batteries for our cars! But electric vehicles use these dangerous timebombs to store their power. This is a nuclear disaster waiting to happen! We can’t wait to lose several cities in disasters. We need to act now and get electric cars off the road until a safe alternative can be found!

(This is approximately the quality of argument we get out of the environmentalists to support their ideas...)


6 posted on 01/15/2022 10:03:28 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: DUMBGRUNT

There are over 100,000 active wells in the Permian basin in active flow. Each and every one has a basin wide average of 6 bbl of salt water to 1 bbl of oil with lithium concentrations typical to other shales including the Eagle Ford and the Barnett that UT Austin studied. In short just the Permian basin alone has more lithium recoverable that we could ever use. This says nothing of the Barnett, Eagle Ford, Woodbine, Haynesville, just to name a few other basins within a hundred ish miles of UT Austin. Every one of them is loaded with lithium in the form of sales that were part of the seawater when the shale was deposited in the first place. Lithium is ubiquitous to shakes.

https://news.utexas.edu/2021/09/08/new-way-to-pull-lithium-from-water-could-increase-supply-efficiency/

Look at one wells flow back over a single week then think there’s 100000 more wells in Midland basin on flow back or ESP flows.


7 posted on 01/15/2022 10:05:50 AM PST by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici" )
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To: 17th Miss Regt; Honorary Serb

Every Ev companies are moving away from Lithium to Solid State batteries and they are 100% recylable, smaller in size and fast charging.

Stellantis, Mercedes-Benz invest in solid-state battery developer Factorial Energy | TechCrunch

https://www.forbes.com/sites/greggardner/2021/10/28/hyundai-kia-partner-with-factorial-energy-on-solid-state-battery-tech/
Solid-State EV Battery Plot Thickens As GM Inks Deal with POSCO (cleantechnica.com)

BMW and Ford Invest in Solid-State Battery Startup for Future EVs (caranddriver.com)


8 posted on 01/15/2022 10:06:38 AM PST by setter
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To: 17th Miss Regt
And it upped the yield of the test from 6 megatons to about 15 megatons, completely unplanned, and caused the worst radialogical disaster in history.

Chernobyl says what??

9 posted on 01/15/2022 10:09:58 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Do you have 10 kilos of PU239 hiding somewhere? Without the radiative compression driven by a fission primary compressing the secondary with a PU sparkplug and a whole host of other classified materials inside and around that secondary lithium 6 or 7 is as inert as table salt when in chloride form or in it’s metal form it rapidly oxidizes to inert lithium oxide useful for turning glass blue or pink when fired in a kiln with silica it’s no more dangerous than zinc oxide used for sunscreen.


10 posted on 01/15/2022 10:12:25 AM PST by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici" )
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To: Honorary Serb

You got the point...the purpose is to burden the poor and middle class.


11 posted on 01/15/2022 10:21:20 AM PST by packagingguy
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Un, there’s so much more that can be learned about his this trashes the earth to an extent that makes oil look like a rank beginner. Oh, learned. Forgot we were talking about CNBC.


12 posted on 01/15/2022 10:32:16 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: DUMBGRUNT

The Biden administration is doing nothing more than re-securing our dependency on another foreign country with another product, this time lithium like the petroleum switch over the last year with Biden closing the pipeline and cutting the starts of new oil exploration and wells in the west. And he’s on the same page as the alternative to what he’s done is a complete failure of the energy needs. We have all the oil we can bring up in the US but only the one lithium mine active with a few still shut down. So with the Biden feds shutting down the use of petroleum using misinterpreted laws, about all I can say is, “Here we go again.”

wy69


13 posted on 01/15/2022 10:36:37 AM PST by whitney69
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To: DUMBGRUNT

“Thacker Pass and other projects have been stalled by lawsuits and opposition from environmentalists, permitting delays, and opposition from Native American tribes in the area.”

All funded by America’s enemies. For real. Congre released a surprisingly decent report back around...2018? Detailing how Russia funds The Sierra Club. Etc. Qatar funds Brookings...China is beh most social medial screaming.

We need new laws. With jailtime, not just fines. Mandat jail time.


14 posted on 01/15/2022 10:43:50 AM PST by Basket_of_Deplorables (Convention Of States is our only hope now! Desantis 2024!!!)
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To: JD_UTDallas
True. But did you read this part of the post?

(This is approximately the quality of argument we get out of the environmentalists to support their ideas...)

15 posted on 01/15/2022 10:48:12 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

That battery in your car may contain up to 80% recycled materials.


16 posted on 01/15/2022 10:52:18 AM PST by TexasGator (UF)
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To: TexasGator

Lead is easy to recycle.

Lithium ain’t.


17 posted on 01/15/2022 10:53:51 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy." ― Mao Zedong [FJB])
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Finally, a powerful and sustainable solution for lithium-ion battery recycling
A TECHNOLOGY THAT REACHES A 95% REVALUATION RATIO

Lithion Recycling has developed an efficient & cost-effective process for recycling lithium-ion batteries, the most widely used batteries for electrical vehicles & portable electronics today.

This new process will allow up to 95% of these batteries components to be recovered & treated so that they can be reused by battery manufacturers—a concrete way to close the loop of battery life-cycle.

The technology put forward by Lithion Recycling uses an innovative combination of processes, based on hydrometallurgy. The result is a size and chemistry agnostic process emitting very low GHG emissions.


18 posted on 01/15/2022 10:59:43 AM PST by TexasGator (UF)
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To: TexasGator

Just like the flying car, it’s almost here!


19 posted on 01/15/2022 11:03:44 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy." ― Mao Zedong [FJB])
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Just like the flying car, it’s almost here!”

10 MODERN FLYING CARS IN REAL LIFE Read more at:

https://www.beautifullife.info/automotive-design/10-real-flying-cars/


20 posted on 01/15/2022 11:13:11 AM PST by TexasGator (UF)
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