Posted on 01/11/2022 3:54:27 AM PST by Kaslin
The Algemeiner, a Jewish publication I highly respect, published a column about Judaism that is not merely wrong; it actually advances a thesis that is the opposite of what Judaism teaches.
That fact alone would not have prompted me to write a rebuttal. What prompts me is that the column was written by an Orthodox rabbi. It is sad enough that many non-Orthodox rabbis have been influenced more by their secular/Left educations than by the Torah. But when a rabbi identified as "centrist Orthodox" distorts one of the most important and normative ideas in Judaism, and is published in a major Jewish journal, we might be in trouble. Of course, he might be an outlier. But I don't think he is unique. Though certainly not yet dominant, secular values have entered parts of modern Orthodox life just as they have traditional Catholic and Protestant Christian life.
With regard to mainstream Christianity -- both Catholicism and Protestantism -- and non-Orthodox Judaism, we are indeed in trouble. The secular and leftist influence on these denominations has been disastrous.
I should note that I am not mentioning the rabbi's name as I have no desire to make this issue personal, let alone engage in an ad hominem attack. I know that the curious can identify the rabbi by searching the internet, but I cannot control that. I can only control what I write. And since I assume that this rabbi is a sincere individual, I want to restrict my response to what he wrote.
The rabbi wrote that Judaism posits that people are basically good, that human nature is good.
This is one of the most foolish and dangerous ideas of the secular world. No Abrahamic religion -- not Judaism, not Christianity, not Islam -- asserts that people are basically good. This notion is a product of the secular age and a major reason for the moral confusion that characterizes our era.
With regard to Judaism, the Torah completely rejects the notion that man is basically good. God Himself states that "the will of man's heart is evil from his youth" (Genesis 8:21) and that "every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time" (Genesis 6:5).
For a rabbi to assert that man is basically good is to assert that God was wrong. I am used to secular people saying that, not Orthodox rabbis.
In addition, the Torah -- and the rest of the Bible -- repeatedly warns us not to follow our hearts. In fact, Orthodox Jews cite this admonition from the Torah three times every day: "Do not follow your hearts and your eyes after which you prostitute yourselves" (Numbers 15:39).
If the human heart is basically good, why does the Bible repeatedly warn us not to follow it?
The rabbi never cites any of these verses. For good reason: They would simply invalidate his argument. This secular belief in the inherent goodness of man is not only not Jewish; as noted, it is foolish and dangerous.
How foolish? It is not possible to be aware of human history and to rationally maintain that people are basically good. For a Jew to believe such nonsense after the Holocaust is simply breathtaking. Apparently, basically good people murdered six million Jews.
But we don't need references to the Holocaust to make our case.
In the 20th century alone, more than a hundred million people -- civilians, not soldiers -- were murdered by vile regimes and their vile followers. These include the approximately 20 million killed in the Gulag Archipelago; the slaughter of the Tutsis in Rwanda; the genocidal murder of Armenians; the deliberate starvation of about 60 million Chinese; the Japanese mass rape of Korean "comfort women" and hideous medical experiments on Chinese civilians; and the torture and murder of approximately one out of four Cambodians.
And that is only a partial list.
Virtually every serious thinker in history knew people were not basically good. They knew about the universality of slavery and the tortures and rapes that accompanied slavery. They knew how men behaved in wartime.
Were all the people who engaged in these evils aberrations? In fact, most were quite normal. The aberrations in history have been the truly good individuals. To cite the Holocaust, the Germans, French, Poles, Hungarians, Lithuanians and others who aided the Holocaust, let alone those who did nothing, were normal people. The handful who aided Jews were the aberrations.
And what about childhood bullying? Are fat, or slow, or unattractive boys and girls generally treated with kindness and empathy? The question is rhetorical.
And what about child sexual abuse? The WHO in 2002 estimated that 73 million boys and 150 million girls under the age of 18 years had experienced various forms of sexual violence. Quite remarkable for a world of basically good people.
So much for the foolishness of the belief that people are basically good. Now let's deal with why it is dangerous.
One reason is that the most important, and most difficult, task of parents and of society is to raise good human beings. Yet, those who believe we are born good will not concentrate on making good people. Why bother if we're already good?
A second reason the belief is dangerous is that those who believe it blame the evil that people do on outside forces, not on the individual who committed the evil. Belief in the basic goodness of human nature is the major reason people claim that poverty, or guns, or racism causes crime. Anything except the perpetrator.
The rabbi cites a Yale study that purports to show that babies are not only moral agents but are actually moral beings. Such studies are one reason so many Americans have come to hold universities in increasing contempt. The idea that babies know right and wrong is preposterous. The idea that babies are moral is even more preposterous. Babies are neither moral nor immoral since they have no more free will than your family dog.
Babies are selfish -- as they have to be to survive. And babies are innocent. But innocent is not the same as good. The rabbi conflates "innocent" with "good."
He also conflates "in God's image" with "good." He writes: "the Torah stating that human beings are created in the image of God (Genesis 1:27) (is) a statement that underscored humanity's inherent goodness."
Not so. Created "in God's image" has never meant man is basically good. Rather, it means that human beings, like God (and unlike animals), know good from evil and have moral free will. In Genesis 1:27, Rashi, author of the most influential Jewish Bible commentary ever written, explains "in God's image" as "the power to comprehend and to discern." Second, it means that human life (again, unlike animal life) is infinitely precious.
Finally, if people are basically good, what is the Torah for? What are all the commandments for? If people are basically good, why would God need to command us not to murder? Don't basically good creatures know this?
It is very troubling that an Orthodox rabbi would teach the opposite of what the Torah and Judaism teach concerning one of the most fundamental issues of life. As more and more modern Orthodox Jews attend college and graduate school, it is imperative that Jewish schools teach the distinctiveness of Jewish values.
Increasingly, they do not.
A very good reversal of the typical objection as to how can a good God allow evil and even cause death etc., often raised by anti-theists who presume omniscience in judging the omniscient omnipotent God of the Bible who can and will make all work out for the Good of those who choose the Light over darkness, and who this cannot be charged with being evil for allowing it and judging sin, since it is not evil in the light of the Big Picture which God alone sees and works to effect.
Thus rather than the evil that God does allow and the judgments He does send being a seeming contradiction to the nature of God, it is that keeping the whole world from being a North Korea is a seeming contradiction to Him being Just since such is a result of the choices of man, which we daily see taking place now. The US will end up being part of a North Korea.
And while atheists ask why "where is God" in the light of such evil, then they charge Him with being so by wiping out terminally degenerate wicked nations as the Canaanites - thus rescuing the innocent children from being as their parents and stopping them from infecting other cultures.
If people are inherently good then why are all of the rules needed?
While God hates a false balance, (Proverbs 11:1) the devil works extremes, such as in both excess consumption as well as extreme asceticism, and both lawlesness as well as excess regulation (relative to warrant), and here, while man is sinful by nature and only can (and does) do good by the grace of God, as God also condemns unjust weights, the devil uses the latter in making his self-exalting liberal elite to be as sinless, while all who do not heed them as such are demoted as ignorant - despite evidence to the contrary.
Ok, before really reading this.
I understand Prager’s point, that all sin and, thus, are not “good”.
Putting aside that fact, I appreciate the rabbi’s thinking. I think the point there is that most people are good in the sense of not all-out evil. Most people are pretty regular. They can be made evil, they can give into evil and become so, but largely people are just going about their business.
I have no idea.
True.
Damned if you do and damned if you don’t.
Correct. Prager in no way represents traditional Judaism, any more more than Rabbi Pini Dunner (a university ‘centrist’ orthodox rabbi does). They’re both on the slow path to complete assimilation instead of the rapid path of 80% of American Jews. Their end result is the same.
I like that flip!
Where did good come from?
Really sick and tired of peon religious leaders making all of the hellbound people feel good about themselves with soft words. IMHO, they work for the devil.
I guess sanctification doesn’t mean anything to the broad road folks?
Likely not.
Nothing new:
But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows, And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented. For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil. The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children. (Matthew 11:16-19)
The hell you believe in is a Christian concept. You have no reason to expect it to be part of any Rabbi's teaching as it isn't an issue in Judaism.
Indeed, there is nothing new under the sun.
indeed!
good way to put it!
That's why the path is so broad.
Matthew 7:13-14
What kind of hell do Jews believe in?
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=What+kind+of+hell+do+Jews+believe+in%3F&ia=web
I know what Dennis is saying. I go to his High Holiday services. It’s true that according to Judaism we all have within us the urge to do what’s wrong as well as the urge to do what’s right.
But if Gd is basically good and more than good, pretty much perfect, then deep deep down the urge to do what is right (goodness) is our base, the strongest, how Gd wants us to be, and how we want others to be. We naturally seek out good. Dennis needs to realize it. He’s right, that superficially humans aren’t naturally good or bad. But spiritually we are more good than bad, by Gd’s design.
Some of the Bible verses relate to the world before the flood and God’s reaction to the humans of those times. As I understand it, Judaism does not believe in original sin, bur rather believes that humans have an inclination to good and an inclination to evil, so human nature isn’t inherently all good or all evil, but both good and evil.
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