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My Debate with an ICU Doctor About the Possible Dangers of the COVID-19 Vaccine
Townhall.com ^ | January 9, 2022 | Wayne Allyn Root

Posted on 01/09/2022 3:41:12 AM PST by Kaslin

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I admire Wayne Allyn Root for selling an email exchange with a leftist to Clownhall for a few $$$ bucks.


21 posted on 01/09/2022 5:28:26 AM PST by JonPreston (Q: Never have so many, been so wrong, so often)
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To: cyclotic
She said she hadn’t researched it yet. I reminded her that she;s had two years.

Did she even blink when saying this? She was either lying or woefully uncaring about keeping up with possible ways to treat Covid patients.

22 posted on 01/09/2022 5:31:16 AM PST by Freee-dame
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To: Kaslin

Wayne Alan Root being logical again! That doesn’t work with irrational people consumed with fear or driven by greed. These people have never had to think for themselves. They’ve never had to reflect on themselves. They move with the herd and right now are agitated, looking to follow, not knowing — or caring — that they’re heading to the edge of a cliff.

A lot of doctors only know what they’ve been taught. They are mechanics; not scientists. And not only do they not know, they don’t want to know.

The medical industry lives off of disease and illness. Diabetes, easy to cure with a change in diet, is their bread and butter. So too cancer, which may be a metabolic disease. I’m sure there’s a cure, but we’ll never see it because testing cancer is a multi billion dollar industry.


23 posted on 01/09/2022 5:39:57 AM PST by captain_dave
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To: Freee-dame

Since I couldn’t see her face, I really couldn’t tell but I lean toward uncaring.

I used the term “corporate medicine” and she basically ended the conversation.

Needless to say, I’m looking for a new doctor.


24 posted on 01/09/2022 5:40:49 AM PST by cyclotic (I won't give up my FREEDOM for your FEAR)
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To: cyclotic

“I asked the braniac skull full of mush is she would consider Ivermectin and received an immediate emphatic NO.”

That’s EXACTLY what my doc said on Dec. 22 when I asked her if she’d prescribe Ivermectin if necessary. Got an IMMEDIATE, “No!”


25 posted on 01/09/2022 5:43:51 AM PST by MayflowerMadam (When government fears the people, there is liberty.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Likely, as this citation by the author is most ignorant:

“I hope I’ve opened your eyes to the alternatives out there. I know what you see each day in your ICU: the sickest of the sick. It’s tragic they have no access to ivermectin or HCQ, plus vitamins like C, D3 and zinc.”

Doctors need to be called out for the harm they are causing their patients by not joining with others and pushing back against the restrictive protocols.

I wouldn’t be so polite, especially considering the obstinance most doctors have regarding patients who think they know more than them.

When I saw this post, I was cheering someone had the nerve to finally say it out loud:

ICU DOCTOR - EVERY COVID DEATH SHOULD BE CONSIDERED A MURDER

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4027903/posts

Such statements should be much more common, but this is not an environment which favors common sense.


26 posted on 01/09/2022 5:44:24 AM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: brookwood

The CDC’s VAERs as of 12-31-2021 is 21,382 deaths for the Corona Virus 2019 “vaccines”.


27 posted on 01/09/2022 5:44:34 AM PST by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's for sure.)
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To: Sicon

“Every one of your counter-arguments is irrelevant. “COVID” is not a significant threat to 99.9% of the population, the “vaccines” prevent neither infection with, or transmission of, “COVID”

Omicron is indeed not a threat. Della and Alpha killed 850000 people in the US. They are 2 different diseases. I agree people should be able to choose to get the vaccine, or not to get them, but should be making those decisions based on the truth, not based on lies either from CDC of from Steve Kirsch. My goal is to get to the truth. I am against forcing people to take the vaccine, against giving it to children also. I am for opening schools since children have no risk. But I am also against the mis-interpretation of VAERS data, claims that the vaccines are useless against the Delta variant, and so forth. In New York City .5 percent of the population DIED OF COVID. I SAW IT. 15 million people lost their jobs because of the shutdowns. The vaccines allowed us to live normal lives. But they were only 95 percent effective and 20 percent of the eligible people did not take them. In my zip code in Manhattan 105 percent of the residents took the vaccine - somehow. We take the subway, go to the office, go to Madison Square Garden - we live normal lives. Last year my building prohibited gatherings of more than 4 people in any apartment. you could not have a friggin birthday party. That is over thanks to IMHO the vaccines. I could care less whether other people take them. In April 2020 you could not sleep because of the sirens from the ambulances, every 15 minutes all night and all day. People forget this even happened. There were 500 unclaimed bodies in 2 refrigerated trucks on 76th street and Lexington.


28 posted on 01/09/2022 5:45:16 AM PST by brookwood
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To: Kaslin

“if the vaccine is so great, why do the deep blue states like New York have massive COVID-19 outbreaks?”

“if the vaccine is so great, why are there far more COVID-19 deaths in 2021 with the vaccine than there were in 2020 — without it?”

Dan Bongino mentions this often, and he uses a variation of a line from the movie, Moneyball. “If the vaccine works so well, why doesn’t it work?”


29 posted on 01/09/2022 5:47:21 AM PST by MayflowerMadam (When government fears the people, there is liberty.)
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To: Blennos

“For a typo that may well have been computer generated?”

The first draft may include a computer-generated (autocorrect) error. Then ... you PROOFREAD and fix errors.


30 posted on 01/09/2022 5:49:11 AM PST by MayflowerMadam (When government fears the people, there is liberty.)
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To: brookwood

You are a sheeple and are not seemingly able to logically put things together. The author told you where he found his data. Why not look it up instead of regurgitating talking points.


31 posted on 01/09/2022 5:54:00 AM PST by Agatsu77
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To: MayflowerMadam

I didn’t even consider calling my regular doctor for Ivermectin. We used Frontline Doctors.


32 posted on 01/09/2022 6:03:21 AM PST by cyclotic (I won't give up my FREEDOM for your FEAR)
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To: Kaslin

I would emphasize more than anything else the politicization of treatment plans and the ongoing effort to remove effective early treatment plans from a physicians ability to individualize treatments for their patients.

THAT needs to be the major talking point.

Vaccine or no vaccine, people are sick with COVID. There is no real way to measure if the “vaccine made it less severe.” But they do need early treatments. The most effective plan for a pandemic is for the public at large to have pre-packaged treatments available and they did this in India.

There should be guidelines for each packet once someone is exposed.

Telling someone infected with COVID “take a Tylenol” and go to the emergency room if you can’t breathe is malpractice.

What we have in this country is the result of politicized medicine. When only elites run the boards of hospitals and government groups, when these “Medical leaders” and “professionals” are chosen based on skin color, sexual perverseness, or any other host of exterior boxes leftists want to push instead of ethics and ability, this is the result. Many of our medical schools have admittance policies that are, in fact, dismissive of quality over agenda. Why is that?

When someone can get into med school with his or her undergraduate degree being “women’s gender studies” and have scholarships based on
his or her involvement with identifying as a transgender “person,” we no longer have a desire for excellent medical care. We have a political movement imbedded in all aspects of healthcare.


33 posted on 01/09/2022 6:04:03 AM PST by Billie Bud
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To: Kaslin

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34 posted on 01/09/2022 6:10:19 AM PST by GranTorino (Bloody Lips Save Ships.)
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To: Kaslin

Bkmk


35 posted on 01/09/2022 6:15:46 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (How many were shot dead at the insurrection?)
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To: cyclotic

Oh, I knew she would say no, and we’re looking for another PCP. The Ivermectin question is the baseline question for weeding out the good from bad physicians. If the answer is yes, they’re in the running; if the answer is no, they’re history. (Mine is history now.)

It’s like when we’re looking for a church, the baseline question is what version of the Bible the use.


36 posted on 01/09/2022 6:17:49 AM PST by MayflowerMadam (When government fears the people, there is liberty.)
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To: MayflowerMadam

How many are “in the running”, so far?


37 posted on 01/09/2022 6:18:49 AM PST by Jane Long (What we were told was a “conspiracy theory” in 2020 is now fact. 🙏🏻 Ps 33:12 )
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To: brookwood

Within 2 weeks after J&J shot came out, there were 5 cases of cavernous sinus thrombosis and the shot was “paused. “ For 6 months after J&J return “crickets” from FDA. Then, Moderna and Pfizer recommended over J%J because of clotting concerns. There’s facts for you about their due diligence.


38 posted on 01/09/2022 6:20:01 AM PST by sopo
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To: MayflowerMadam

I would accept “I’d consider therapeutics like Ivermectin but the medical boards won’t allow it.” as an answer. I truly understand the pressures they are under. Flat out NO is not acceptable.

As far as Bible version, I don’t really use that as a huge indicator.

KJV only would be a deal breaker, as would The Message only. In between there’s lots of room for different versions.

A buddy of mine is a KJV only preacher. He didn’t like it when I told him the reason he uses KJV is to add ten minutes to each sermon interpreting what the arcane words mean in the modern vernacular.


39 posted on 01/09/2022 6:22:48 AM PST by cyclotic (I won't give up my FREEDOM for your FEAR)
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To: Billie Bud
Telling someone infected with COVID “take a Tylenol” and go to the emergency room if you can’t breathe is malpractice.

By and large, doctors don't make these decisions anymore. If they did, there'd be more diversity in their pronouncements. Insurance is their god and liability is their devil, and there's no in-between unless you're a country doctor making rounds in a buggy.

As for Tylenol, I know quite a few people who can't take a single dose without unpleasant consequences. Tylenol is dangerous. Yet the standard suggestion from a doctor, when it comes to covid, is to take tylenol every 4-6 hours, meaning between 2,000 and 3,000mg in 24 hours. "Unless you have liver disease," and you'll know soon if you do!

I wouldn't touch Tylenol if you threatened me.

40 posted on 01/09/2022 6:23:41 AM PST by Buttons12 ( )
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