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Green energy? Solar toys won't cut it
Americanthinker.com ^ | 1/5/2022 | Viv Forbes

Posted on 01/05/2022 8:49:43 AM PST by rktman

By the time solar energy reaches Earth's surface, it is spread very thin — even midday sunshine will not boil the billy or make toast. And solar collectors will convert only about 20% of that weak energy into electricity. Thus, thousands of solar panels are needed to collect significant energy, and lots more to charge the expensive batteries needed to maintain electricity supply overnight and during cloudy weather. Despite these disadvantages, force-feeding of "green" energy by all levels of government has given Australia nearly three million solar collectors (mainly imported from China).

It requires scads of land to generate significant electricity from the sun's weak rays. But even in sunny weather, they produce nothing for sixteen hours every day. And a sprinkling of dust, pollen, ash, or salt, or a few splatters of poop from birds or flying foxes, can reduce output by 50%, while night, snow, or heavy cloud cover snuffs them out.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: climageddon; ecowankers; gangreen
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Butt, butt, butt......... Just got an email from NVEnergy touting all their upcoming efforts to expand their "renewable" supply portfolio. And they just got money for two new solar "farms". To provide power to 180,000 homes or something. Uh, have they checked to see how many homes are in Vegas alone? But, the legislature passed a bill with voter approval (twice) that we MUST have all of it by renewables by 2050. Half by 2030. This may not turn out well. If you tell a lie often enough............
1 posted on 01/05/2022 8:49:43 AM PST by rktman
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The politicans’ and bureaucrats’ brother’s solar energy firms will be in clover. That’s what’s important.


2 posted on 01/05/2022 8:53:43 AM PST by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: Seruzawa

Crooks all...like ethanol


3 posted on 01/05/2022 8:55:33 AM PST by Hojczyk
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To: rktman

So many inaccuracies in the article. Where to begin...


4 posted on 01/05/2022 8:57:44 AM PST by bk1000 (Banned from Breitbart)
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To: rktman
I agree wholeheartedly with the premise of the article about government forcing green energy.

But I'm a proponent of decentralized green energy if you're in a situation that works for you. My solar panels are currently powering 40% of the power I need over the past two months (looking at the data since Nov 4 to give a representation of late fall/early winter). This is for a two-story house that's all electric. It was much higher during the spring and summer. Year round it's about 55% on average.

I basically worry less about the Dims raising our electricity rates and natural gas rates because I'm making most of the power I consume. Decentralized green energy is very much a libertarian way to handle things if you're in a good environment for it. My system should pay for itself in about 10 years, and that includes the interest on the HELOC I took out to pay for most of it. That's assuming a mere 3% inflation rate on electricity and natural gas prices (even though I no longer use natural gas, I count my avoiding it as savings). If the Dims have their wish and make energy rates keep skyrocketing, then obviously my system will pay for it sooner and I'll grumble less about their energy policies than I normally would have if I wasn't making half of my own power.

5 posted on 01/05/2022 8:58:32 AM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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Crooks all...like ethanol

Speaking of which and slightly off-topic, I was very pleased to see a local grocery gas station offering 'no ethanol' gas down here in TN. Plus, they offer 10, 20, 50 cents or more off per gallon, depending on how much you buy in groceries. They charge about $3.30/gallon for it. I filled up the other day and the higher price for ethanol free came out about the same as the blended stuff.

6 posted on 01/05/2022 9:02:16 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Imagine, if you will, a vaccine so safe you have to be threatened to take it. )
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To: rktman

OK, who is Billy, and why does he need boiling?


7 posted on 01/05/2022 9:04:41 AM PST by Yo-Yo (is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Tell It Right

It does work for some individual circumstances. If it works for you, awesome. Running a steel mill?


8 posted on 01/05/2022 9:07:09 AM PST by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? 😕)
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To: Yo-Yo

Thinking the left out “goat”.


9 posted on 01/05/2022 9:08:00 AM PST by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? 😕)
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To: Tell It Right

Good points. Thanks. I’ve been looking into some solar power as a backup. One question I have is, how much dirty electricity is produced and put into a home’s wiring by the inverters used in solar systems? The harmonics (dirty electricity) in home wiring can cause long-term health problems and is something very few people seem to be concerned with.


10 posted on 01/05/2022 9:17:01 AM PST by MulberryDraw (Stop trusting in man, who has but a breath in his nostrils. Of what account is he?)
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To: rktman

We’re California now😒


11 posted on 01/05/2022 9:18:49 AM PST by Dogbert41 ("Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be filled" (Matthew 5:6).)
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The Chinese build nuclear power for themselves and sell cheap solar panels to gullible libtards all over the world 🤪


12 posted on 01/05/2022 9:19:35 AM PST by NWFree (Somebody has to say it)
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To: MulberryDraw
Ostensibly, my inverter puts out power that's cleaner than what I get from the grid.

But I paid a bit more for my inverter to have extra features, particularly the ability to put zero power onto the grid (so I won't be automatically charged by my power company the solar fee).

13 posted on 01/05/2022 9:20:31 AM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Tell It Right

Happily for you, the surface area of the roof, which you needed anyway, in your latitude and climate, suffices to catch enough photons for a significant chunk of what you consume. Not all will have sufficient insolation or cheaply available area to meet their needs. Going to be hard to divide the roof coverage of a 10 story apartment building amongst the tenants and expect the same match. Glad you can and were bright enough to capture the opportunity. As you’re trying to provide honest report I’m curious about one more variable. You say your system should pay for itself in 10 years, maybe sooner. What is the useful lifespan of those solar panels? If they, and perhaps other parts of the system, wear out that factors into the economic equation.


14 posted on 01/05/2022 9:21:41 AM PST by JohnBovenmyer (Biden/Harris press events are called dodo ops)
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To: bk1000

Please elaborate.


15 posted on 01/05/2022 9:24:45 AM PST by CapnJack ( )
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To: rktman
US Energy Information Administration: “Renewable portfolio standards (RPS), also referred to as renewable electricity standards (RES), are policies designed to increase the use of renewable energy sources for electricity generation. These policies require or encourage electricity suppliers to provide their customers with a stated minimum share of electricity from eligible renewable resources. Although national RPS or other clean energy policies have been proposed, no federal RPS or similar policy is currently in place. However, most states have enacted their own RPS programs.”

It is no surprise that the states that have RPS’s are all leftist, anti-freedom, tyrannical states. The map looks like the recent Census Bureau map of which states are gaining and losing population or mask and vax mandates.


16 posted on 01/05/2022 9:30:04 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (81 million votes...and NOT ONE "Build Back Better" hat)
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Crooks all...like ethanol

You get less gas milage form ethanol gas.

17 posted on 01/05/2022 9:33:09 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: JohnBovenmyer
Panels have a 25 year warranty with gradual expected reduction in efficiency to be 70% at the end of the warranty.

Solar batteries have 19 year warranty (really 2,000 discharges) with 70% efficiency at the end. The warranty assumes I don't discharge the batteries more than 80% of their capacity. I discharge them only 70% so I can extend their life a little longer. So that's part of the math on how much truly usable storage I'm getting.

The inverter (which is also the charge controller) has a 10 year warranty with 100% efficiency during the warranty.

Part of the math for me is that I have a metal roof (lifetime warranty). So no shingle roof to replace every 10 years (which would require temporarily removing the solar panels and replacing them when roof replacement was done).

Other factors are that I have a south-facing roof that I put the panels on (pointed toward the sun even when the sun is at a low angle in the sky during the winter). Virtually no shade over my roof (a tiny bit of shade on the eastern edge in the early morning when there's little sunshine anyway). Plus I live in Alabama (plenty of sunshine, most of the power consumed is for A/C during the summer when there's even more sunshine, and during the day so I don't need as much battery storage at night as someone living in the north trying to power a heater at night in the cold winter).

18 posted on 01/05/2022 9:33:29 AM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: bk1000

So many inaccuracies in the article. Where to begin...

Power companies lose up to 50% of the power they generate due to line losses due to line resistance.


19 posted on 01/05/2022 9:36:12 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: NWFree

And coal. Don’t forget dependable coal plants.


20 posted on 01/05/2022 9:37:06 AM PST by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? 😕)
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