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Ukraine tensions: Putin tells Biden new sanctions could rupture ties
BBC ^ | 30 December 2021 | Tara McKelvey, BBC WH reporter

Posted on 12/31/2021 1:54:49 AM PST by blueplum

Russia's Vladimir Putin has warned his US counterpart Joe Biden that imposing new sanctions over Ukraine could lead to a complete breakdown in relations.

In a phone call late on Thursday, the Russian president said such sanctions would be a "colossal mistake".

Mr Biden, meanwhile, told Mr Putin that the US and its allies would respond decisively to any invasion of Ukraine....

....The build-up has prompted concern in the West, with the US threatening Mr Putin with sanctions "like none he's ever seen" if Ukraine comes under attack....

...Although the two sides exchanged warnings during the call, Russian foreign policy adviser Yuri Ushakov told reporters shortly after that Mr Putin was "pleased" with the conversation. He added that it had created a "good backdrop" for future talks.

A senior US official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the tone had been "serious and substantive....

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: putinbidencall; regionalsecurity; ukraine; warmongering
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To: McGruff

You and your fellow Putinista, mac_truck, are two seriously screwed up in the head you-know-whats.


41 posted on 12/31/2021 11:03:00 AM PST by Exposing Fake Patriots
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To: Exposing Fake Patriots
“Putinista”

There was a guy who used that term alot. Is that you ETL?

42 posted on 12/31/2021 11:07:41 AM PST by McGruff
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To: McGruff

The term “Putinista” has been used here and elsewhere for years to describe phony pieces of crap like you and others who ceaselessly defend KGB Putin and his evil expansionist agenda.

Can’t for the like of me understand why you are allowed to remain here doing what you do, as obvious as it is, for all of these years. Are a truly demented soul.


43 posted on 12/31/2021 11:16:04 AM PST by Exposing Fake Patriots
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To: tlozo

Yes, McGruff and his/her girlfriend, mac truck, are two truly demented individuals. Yet they are not alone here in their never-ending defense of the reemerging evil empire that is Putin’s Russia. They are 2 very sick puppies.


44 posted on 12/31/2021 11:20:06 AM PST by Exposing Fake Patriots
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To: duckln

Russia is in bed with damn near every Communist and hard Left dictatorship on the planet, including communist China, Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua, North Korea, arming them, conducting joint war games, and standing firmly behind them.

Not only that, they conspired in the 2016 and 2020 elections with the Democrats to create the illusion that it was Trump who was! Obviously, the Russians would many times more preferred Hillary, and definitely Biden-Harris, over Trump-Pence!


45 posted on 12/31/2021 11:29:23 AM PST by Exposing Fake Patriots
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Mariupol is in Donetsk and is under frequent attack by Russians.

This is a typical 'moving the goal posts' statement from you. Mariupol has not seceded from Ukraine and is clearly in territory "controlled" by Ukraine.

Why would Ukrainians be attacking Jews in an area dominated by ethnic Russians and far from Kiev where the Nazis supposedly have free reign?

Its a real puzzle...maybe Cesar knows, since he was arrested for the hate crime. Here's his Ukrainian national identity card...interesting haircut.


46 posted on 12/31/2021 11:33:20 AM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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To: duckln
***Trump was on the right page when in 2016 he 'admired' Putin. But he seems to have flipped under pressure from the Dems***

Hard to know sometimes if some of you pro-Putin creeps are really that stupid, or are just pretending to be.

For one thing, Trump praises lots of people. He even praised Obama! It's just part of the way he does things. Art of the deal stuff. Truth is, despite all of Hillary and the Dems bogus "tough talk" on Putin and Russia, they have bent over backwards to appease him, on such critical things as Obama's promised and delivered "flexibility" on missile defense, the Russia-favoring, New Start nuke treaty, the Putin-loving Iran deal, Obama and Hillary's Uranium-One deal, where they allowed Russia to gain control of an estimated 20% of OUR uranium production!. And now the traitorous Nord Stream pipeline deal, in which Biden provided the Russians a means of further financing their evil, expansionist agenda.

Joe's son Hunter brought in $3.5 MILLION from Russia, and likely more than that from the Russia-allied owner of Burisma. The owner of Burisma was part of the regime that Putin installed in the Ukraine through a rigged election. An earlier pro-US opponent of that Russian puppet president was nearly killed in an attempted assassination by poisoning. His face was left badly pock-mocked and scarred for months afterwards.

47 posted on 12/31/2021 11:45:59 AM PST by Exposing Fake Patriots
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

After this call, the Ball is in Putin’s Court. What will he do now? Something underhanded is my bet. An event of some type. It will be clever, unexpected and bloody. Russians use a hammer rather than scalpel. America has a lot of places where we are weak. Iran could do something in the Gulf. Terrorists do something in Europe. Even North Korea could act. The other shoe will drop in February or March—Spring will see action, I fear.


48 posted on 12/31/2021 11:47:03 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade ( ALWAYS GO FORWARD AND NEVER GO BACK.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

After this call, the Ball is in Putin’s Court. What will he do now? Something underhanded is my bet. An event of some type. It will be clever, unexpected and bloody. Russians use a hammer rather than scalpel. America has a lot of places where we are weak. Iran could do something in the Gulf. Terrorists do something in Europe. Even North Korea could act. The other shoe will drop in February or March—Spring will see action, I fear.


49 posted on 12/31/2021 11:47:03 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade ( ALWAYS GO FORWARD AND NEVER GO BACK.)
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To: mac_truck
The Democrat hoax was worse than just lies about so-called “Trump-Russia collusion”.
It was a deliberate/planned COVER to hide what they themselves was doing...colluding with Russians!
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"...the Clinton campaign, and ultimately the Obama administration, colluded with Russians for the purpose of accusing Donald Trump of . . . yes . . . colluding with Russians."

--Andrew C. McCarthy, National Review, Sept 26, 2020

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Steele’s Dossier Source Was a Suspected Russian Spy

Andrew C. McCarthy, National Review, Sept 26, 2020

In an effort to depict Donald Trump as if he were in an espionage conspiracy with the Kremlin, the Obama administration used bogus information, from a man the FBI suspected was an actual Russian spy.

It turns out that Igor Danchenko, the man the FBI suspected of being an actual Russian spy, initially provided the bogus information about the American, Carter Page, through a former British spy, Christopher Steele.

Through a couple of cut-outs, Steele had been retained by the Clinton campaign to dig up — or, alas, to make up — Russian dirt on Trump.

Through his private intelligence business in London, Steele was known to be working for Russian oligarchs, while Danchenko was on Steele’s payroll.

That is, the Clinton campaign, and ultimately the Obama administration, colluded with Russians for the purpose of accusing Donald Trump of . . . yes . . . colluding with Russians.”

—Andrew C. McCarthy, National Review, Sept 26, 2020
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Senator Lindsey Graham (R), Chairman, Senate Judiciary Committee
July 27, 2020:

“He [Igor Danchenko, working for Christopher Steele] calls up a bunch of people in Russia.
Who do you think this information came from? It came from the Russian intelligence service.
_____________________

Rep. Devin Nunes (R-California), Ranking Member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, on Robert Mueller’s May 29, 2019 press conference...

Nunes: “Well, he [Mueller] should have been gone after day two. He has no Russians, except for the Fusion and Clinton Russians, and possibly the dirty cop, the FBI’s Russians, those are the only Russians that he has, to show “connections” to the Trump campaign.

Clearly, the Clinton operation is heavily working with Russians or Russian disinformation.
He didn’t take time to look into any of that”

50 posted on 12/31/2021 11:47:12 AM PST by Exposing Fake Patriots
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To: mac_truck

Meet the most powerful man you’ve never heard of [Vladislav Surkov]

“His name is ((Vladislav Surkov)), also known as Putin’s Rasputin, the Grey Cardinal of the Kremlin or the Puppet Master. ...”

‘Moscow is using Surkov’s techniques to sow political confusion in democracies throughout the western world.’ ...”

He controls [pro-Russia] separatist groups in Ukraine: Leaked documents from his office in the Kremlin show Surkov running a network of activists in the eastern Donbas region, where separatist fighters are waging a war against Kiev with support from Moscow. ...”

—BBC Radio-4
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Re: Top-level Putin aide Vladislav Surkov

"She [HILLARY CLINTON] launched the [Russia] 'reset' policy after the murders of Alexander Litvinenko, a former Russian intelligence agent who had been granted asylum in Britain, and Anna Politkovskaya, Russia's leading investigative journalist.

In both cases, the regime of Vladimir Putin was directly implicated. [both were poisoned]

Instead of trying seriously to deter Russian aggression, which in Ukraine so far has claimed more than 10,000 lives, the Obama administration in 2009 created the McFaul-Surkov commission.

Michael McFaul, Mr. Obama's chief adviser on Russia, was tasked with building civil society alongside ((Vladislav Surkov)), a Kremlin aide responsible for suppressing it. ..."

— David Satter - Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute
Wall Street Journal, June 12, 2017

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Re: ((Vladislav Surkov))

"On October 11, 2016, [Christopher] Steele was interviewed in Washington by [Hillary-Obama] State Department official Kathleen Kavalec.

In that interview, he [Steele] identified two of his insider Kremlin sources as Vladislav Surkov and Vyasheslov Trubnikov.”

Surkov has spent over a decade moving up in the regime. In 2013, he became Putin's personal adviser, particularly on Georgia and Ukraine, where Putin has since made major territorial annexations.

Kremlin-wise, Surkov is top-echelon; he's sometimes referred to as "Putin's Rasputin."

Trubnikov is a longtime regime eminence who ran the SVR (Russia external intelligence service, analogous to the CIA) before Putin came to power. Since then, he has continued to be an insider, while moving on to critical positions...”

--Andrew McCarthy, National Review, May 29, 2019
Article: Was Brennan's 'Intelligence Bombshell' the Steele Dossier?
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Below, via the FOIA, Obama-Hillary State Dept official Kathleen Kavalec's own personal notes from her interview with Christopher Steele, naming top-level Putin aide Vladislav Surkov and Vyasheslov Trubnikov as Hillary/DNC paid-for Steele dossier sources!





CU FOIA [Freedom of Information Act] Document Release — Kavalec Memo & Related Records:
https://www.scribd.com/document/409446360/CU-FOIA-Document-Release-Kavalec-Memo-Related-Records

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Re: Vladislav Surkov:

"Foreign politicians talk about Russia's interference in elections and referendums around the world. In fact, the matter is even more serious: Russia interferes in your brains, we change your conscience, and there is nothing you can do about it."

—Vladislav Surkov, personal aide to Vladimir Putin

51 posted on 12/31/2021 11:47:58 AM PST by Exposing Fake Patriots
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To: sockmonkey
FReeper mac_truck more than adequately counters your version of events in Ukraine.


52 posted on 12/31/2021 11:51:34 AM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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To: duckln; All

FYI,
The Ukrainians that the Bidens, Obama and Hillary were working with were the PRO-RUSSIA faction. There are 2 factions there, one supportive of Russia, the other, very much opposed.

For example, although you likely haven't heard or read about it much anywhere, Ukrainian gas giant Burisma is owned by Mykola Zlochevsky, a close ally of Russian president Putin. In fact, he was an official in the 'puppet' regime that Putin had installed in the Ukraine through a rigged election.

That former 'puppet' president was thrown out of office in 2014 following Ukraine's "Euromaidan revolution" and immediately went into hiding in Russia where he remains today wanted in Ukraine for the crime of high treason. Zlochevsky fled to Russia as well but later returned.

That said...

Rudy Giuliani, Sean Hannity show, Fox News, May 2019...

GIULIANI: He [Hunter Biden] was working for the most corrupt company in the Ukraine [Burisma]. He was working for [Mykola Zlochevsky] a Ukrainian oligarch who was being protected by Putin. The same Putin that we have been hearing about for all this time, right? Imagine that.

GIULIANI [continuing]: Putin's friend was paying Joe's son three, four, five, possibly more, millions of dollars. And he got under investigation. And Joe bragged two years later that he got the prosecutor general fired. He just left out of it that the prosecutor general was investigating his son and his son's crooked boss [Putin's friend]. And then afterwards, the case disappeared."
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Massive bribe to stop Ukraine probe of Burisma founder intercepted

by Bradford Betz | Fox News | June 14, 2020

[excerpt]
Ukrainian officials on Saturday announced they intercepted a $6 million bribe attempt to stop a criminal investigation into the president of Burisma ..."

[Ukraine's anti-corruption prosecutor Nazar] Kholodnitsky and the head of the national anti-corruption bureau, Artem Sytnik, said the bribe was intended to encourage their offices to halt a probe of Mykola Zlochevsky, the head of Burisma and a former minister of ecology. ..."
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"PRO-RUSSIAN corrupt officials"

-Rudy Giuliani
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Giuliani: "The fact is, this was a massive collusion between the Democratic National Committee, officials of the Obama administration, (Hillary) Clinton people, and the Ukrainian officials, corrupt officials, who, by the way, were pro-Russian corrupt officials"
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"Burisma Holdings is owned by Brociti Investments Limited, a Cyprus-based company owned by Ukrainian former politician and businessman Mykola Zlochevsky.

Zlochevsky was minister of natural resources under Viktor Yanukovych, the [RUSSIA-ALLIED] president of Ukraine.[34]

Brociti Investments acquired Burisma Holdings in 2011.[35] Before that acquisition, Mykola Zlochevsky and Mykola Lisin each owned a 50% interest in Burisma Holdings.[12][35][36]

Lisin, a Ukrainian politician, died in a traffic accident in 2011.[36] ..."

--Wikipedia

53 posted on 12/31/2021 11:52:01 AM PST by Exposing Fake Patriots
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
America has a lot of places where we are weak.

Starting with our southern border.

54 posted on 12/31/2021 11:54:57 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: mac_truck
Its a real puzzle...maybe Cesar knows, since he was arrested for the hate crime.

Look how stupid you are looking so desperately for anti-semetic attacks, to prove your "Ukraine is a Nazi country" bullshit, while then telling me Ukrainians then quickly arrested the poo flinger.

We can play these little anecdotal games, but at the end of the day, you prove nothing by them, and you know it.

55 posted on 12/31/2021 11:55:50 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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