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The Supreme Court Is About to Open the Door to a Lot More Kyle Rittenhouse Situations (barf alert)
Slate via MSN ^ | 17 nov 2021 | Dahlia Lithwick

Posted on 11/17/2021 8:11:11 AM PST by rellimpank

The jury in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial has begun its deliberations. As we wait, it is worth acknowledging that this trial has come to stand for what may well be the future of criminal defense law in America. Put aside the tactical errors of the prosecutors and the trial antics of a flamboyant judge and even the radicalization of the vigilante right—what is left is a snapshot of what will happen every time jurors contemplate how guns, protests, and hair-trigger self-defense combine in public spaces. And it looks very much like passing judgment over a shootout at the O.K. Corral.

Each of the three trials dominating the news this month features armed citizens taking up weapons to travel to public spaces where they believed themselves to be under threat. As the New York Times’ Shaila Dewan traced this past weekend, in the trial of the three killers of Ahmaud Arbery in Georgia and the Rittenhouse trial in Wisconsin, the defendants claim that they were justified in their use of violence when they killed unarmed people in self-defense. In both prosecutions, she writes, “the defendants claim they were entitled to start shooting because the victims were trying to take their guns.” White supremacists currently facing a civil trial in Charlottesville, Virginia, for harming others at a Nazi-style rally in 2017 are offering similar defenses, claiming that they too armed themselves and attacked peaceful counterprotesters out of a fear for their own safety. Dewan quotes Kimberly Kessler Ferzan, a professor of law and philosophy at the University of Pennsylvania, arguing in the Texas Law Review that “the problem is that with a citizenry armed with guns, we have blurred every line.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; banglsit; dahlialithwick; guns; rkba; supremecourt
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1 posted on 11/17/2021 8:11:11 AM PST by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

Gee I hope so. The more that regular Americans step up and protect their communities from rioters because the majors and police refuse to do their jobs, the sooner the riots will be snuffed.


2 posted on 11/17/2021 8:12:57 AM PST by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: rellimpank

They are right.

If police are ordered to stand down, then citizens are obligated to take up arms in defense of their communities.

More than 3 dozen innocent citizens have been murdered in these “peaceful protests”. Enough is enough.


3 posted on 11/17/2021 8:13:39 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (We are being played by forces most do not understand)
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To: rellimpank

An armed populace is a polite populous. Works for me.


4 posted on 11/17/2021 8:16:39 AM PST by blackdog (Jab Dodger. )
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To: rellimpank
Just another communist weighing in.

From her wiki bio: "In 2009, Lithwick wrote an article for Slate titled "I Need a Hero: Seeking a bomb-throwing, passionate, visionary, liberal Scalia for a seat on the Supreme Court."[8][9][10] In the article, she called for President Obama to nominate a person who was "some cross between Rachel Maddow and Emma Goldman.""

5 posted on 11/17/2021 8:17:11 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: rellimpank

Slate? I always turn to slate for my truth. 😂😂😂😂🙌


6 posted on 11/17/2021 8:18:33 AM PST by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? 😕)
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To: rellimpank

More dead pedos?


7 posted on 11/17/2021 8:19:20 AM PST by Little Ray (Civilization runs on a narrow margin. What sustains it is not magic, but hard work. )
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To: rellimpank

It seems the sluts at slate have forgotten the summer of antifa/blm riots where businesses were destroyed while the police sere forced to stand down and stay away.

Peoples’ lives were wiped out. Many of us understand The Second Amendment’s true intent.


8 posted on 11/17/2021 8:22:23 AM PST by budj (Combat vet, 2nd of three generations.)
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To: rellimpank
What a loaded, bias opening paragraph.

The jury in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial has begun its deliberations. As we wait, it is worth acknowledging that this trial has come to stand for what may well be the future of criminal defense law in America. Put aside the tactical errors of the prosecutors and the trial antics of a flamboyant judge and even the radicalization of the vigilante right—what is left is a snapshot of what will happen every time jurors contemplate how guns, protests, and hair-trigger self-defense combine in public spaces. And it looks very much like passing judgment over a shootout at the O.K. Corral.

trial antics of a flamboyant judge

hair-trigger self-defense

radicalization of the vigilante right

a shootout at the O.K. Corral

If this is what the public hears over the majority of the airwaves from the media, we will always face an extremely uphill battle.

How do we even begin to change people's minds?

9 posted on 11/17/2021 8:25:07 AM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: budj

“It seems the sluts at slate have forgotten the summer of antifa/blm riots where businesses were destroyed while the police sere forced to stand down and stay away.”

To the contrary, they haven’t forgotten anything. That’s how they want us to live, cowering in front howling mobs too frightened to do anything to protect ourselves or our livelihoods.

Get this through your heads, folks. The Left hates us. They want us enslaved or dead. They make no secret of it. They scream it right into our faces day after day after day.

See my tag line.

L


10 posted on 11/17/2021 8:27:07 AM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: rellimpank

Good thing, maybe just maybe citizens can start taking their community’s back .


11 posted on 11/17/2021 8:28:42 AM PST by spincaster (i)
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RE: radicalization of the vigilante right

Since when? No one made a major pushback when Seattle, NYC Park Avenue stores, the guy with his shirt off smashing Target store checkout computers with his hammer, a boy on his bike in his own front yard shot in his forehead, a woman at a BP gas pump was brutally beaten over and over, women with their little children in the back seats had their car carjacked and driven away by armed thugs, a woman was pushed onto the tracks of the oncoming subway in NYC-———and I won’t go on but I could.

No one is doing anything.

But these pinhead sic the FBI on good people who dispute homosexual agenda and anti-American teaching in school systems——and label them terrorists?


12 posted on 11/17/2021 8:30:02 AM PST by frank ballenger (You have summoned up a thundercloud. You're gonna hear from me. Anthem by Leonard Cohen)
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To: rellimpank

The lies and conflations hallmarking this ‘journolist’ piece are so clever that most will not recognize the purpose of such propaganda BS. But here at FR I expect this drone strike to be fully rejected.


13 posted on 11/17/2021 8:30:45 AM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: rellimpank

If her predictions come to pass I would imagine protests would be, “mostly peaceful”.


14 posted on 11/17/2021 8:32:24 AM PST by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches anything.)
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To: rellimpank

Pure Socialist agitprop from Slate.

Not worth discussing IMO.


15 posted on 11/17/2021 8:32:53 AM PST by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: budj

Ah yes, riots void of police but videoed in detail by the fib who are the ultimate source of the planning and bused in thuggery. When the demon rats have the power, they use it, laws be damned.


16 posted on 11/17/2021 8:34:34 AM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: rellimpank

Oh, Dahlia, sweetheart. You better pray we never turn into what you paint us as. If we were what you say we are, you’d have some serious problems right now.

}:-)4


17 posted on 11/17/2021 8:35:33 AM PST by Moose4 (Oderint dum metuant. Let them hate, as long as they fear.)
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To: rellimpank

18 posted on 11/17/2021 8:35:41 AM PST by PROCON (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: 7thson

“Put aside the tactical errors of the prosecutors”

Like what? They didn’t have a case and there was video of it all.


19 posted on 11/17/2021 8:38:17 AM PST by WeaslesRippedMyFlesh
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To: rellimpank

FTA: the defendants claim they were entitled to start shooting because the victims were trying to take their guns” The author didn’t pay attention to the Rittenhouse trial if they choose to ignore the testimony about the defendant testifying that he felt he, and the public, were in danger of imminent harm if the gun was taken. Deadly weapons are not only guns. Knives, skateboards, pipes, soup cans, protest sign sticks, fists, bricks, concrete blocks, are just a few that come to mind.


20 posted on 11/17/2021 8:41:17 AM PST by Savage Rider
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