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Rittenhouse Trial: Controversy Over Gun Charge & Hunter Safety Certificates? ~ VIDEO
AmmoLand ^ | November 13, 2021 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 11/15/2021 3:58:10 AM PST by marktwain

Many readers have avidly been following the Kyle Rittenhouse self-defense trial in Kenosha, Wisconsin. One of the important aspects of the case is the contention over what Wisconsin statute 948.60 (“Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18.”) means. This correspondent has written extensively on this issue. Here is the relevant portion of the trial from this week.

Essentially, the defense says, under the law, Kyle Rittenhouse did NOT commit an offense, his possession of a rifle was legal.

The prosecution says the law is written in such a way that he DID commit an offense, he could not legally possess a rifle without a hunter safety certificate.

The first arguments are about the jury instructions. Defense attorney Chirafisi says he hoped Judge Schroeder had made up his mind about the defense motion to dismiss, and then to reconsider the motion to dismiss charge number six, possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under the age of 18.

The court debate went like this:

Kyle Rittenhouse’s Defense Attorney, Corey Chirafisi:

Judge, if I could, Initially I was hoping the Court would take up our motion for reconsideration which was filed a week ago Monday.

Judge Schroeder: OK

Defense Attorney Corey Chirafisi:

And, once that is done, depending on how you rule on it, I would have an objection to 2176, because in my reading of 2176, the notes set forth what is to happen or how the Court is to do when there is an alleged exception, which we are alleging here. And I think that is to be put into, as part of the instruction.

And as it reads now, I don’t think there is an exception. So, I think that has to be included in the instruction if the court does not grant our motion for reconsideration.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Illinois; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: banglist; illinois; kenosha; kylerittenhouse; rittenhouse; weapons; wisconsin
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This article quotes extensively from the video where the defense and prosecution are presenting their reasons to dismiss the weapons possession charge (or not) in the Kyle Rittenhouse case.

The Prosecution doesn't really have a case, as far as I can see.

1 posted on 11/15/2021 3:58:10 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

This hunter certification ‘thing’....failure is what? A misdemeanor and $100 fine?

This is the strongest part of the prosecution case....meaning they really did a lousy job.


2 posted on 11/15/2021 4:08:54 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice

When I was a Kid in Nebraska, I got my Hunter Safety Certificate in public grade school. I don’t remember what year, so I had to have been pretty young. I got a cool orange patch.


3 posted on 11/15/2021 4:15:15 AM PST by UNGN
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To: UNGN

Congrats!


4 posted on 11/15/2021 4:24:04 AM PST by 1_Rain_Drop ("There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration” - Pompeo)
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To: marktwain

From the trial, it depends on the barrel size. If it is shorter than standard - it is a crime. It not, it is legal.


5 posted on 11/15/2021 4:35:31 AM PST by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx D)
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To: marktwain

The judge admonished the prosecution (again), stating that the statute is not clear.


6 posted on 11/15/2021 4:39:40 AM PST by NautiNurse (Who will portray Alec Baldwin in the SNL skit? )
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To: pepsionice
No what the prosecution is arguing is the Rittenhouse as a minor was in illegal possession of a fire arm therefore using said fire arm allows the State to charge him with murder and assault. The prosecution's case hinges on the illegal possession which is the foundation on which to build the other charges in their legal case. Rittenhouse not legally allowed to have a weapon has no right to claim self defense and even if defending himself must be charged with murder and deadly use of force under Wisconsin law that's why their pushing hard for that charge.
7 posted on 11/15/2021 4:42:03 AM PST by bonehead4freedom
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To: Pilgrim's Progress

I heard that the defense specifically cross-examined the weapons expert and asked if there was anything illegal about the gun, and the expert witness said “No.” so there is that...


8 posted on 11/15/2021 4:46:53 AM PST by rlmorel (If the Biden Administration was only stupid or incompetent, some actions would benefit the USA.)
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To: UNGN

When I was in high school our shop teacher brought his new deer rifle in, to show it off to all of us kids.

It was a beautiful shotgun and it impressed me how clean and shiny he kept it. He had the gun cleaning kit neatly tucked in the case. In the two minutes I got to look at it, I learned more about the importance of gun cleaning and safety then I did the rest of my life.


9 posted on 11/15/2021 4:55:22 AM PST by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing obamacare is worse than obamacare itself)
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To: UNGN

Mine was when I was 12...


10 posted on 11/15/2021 5:06:48 AM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: bonehead4freedom; All
Here is a deep dive into the Wisconsin weapons statutes which apply.
11 posted on 11/15/2021 5:06:59 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries. )
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To: UNGN

I got mine the same year I got married...so I was 18. I did good and posted my target on the kitchen wall. Every shot hit the Bulls Eye.


12 posted on 11/15/2021 5:18:54 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: marktwain
A law that is open for interpretation after the fact is not a good law.
If it can be re-interpreted to be more strict that originally intended, then the new interpretation becomes a post facto law and should not be applicable to past events.

13 posted on 11/15/2021 5:19:14 AM PST by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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To: Mr. K

They hunt deer with shotguns?


14 posted on 11/15/2021 5:20:25 AM PST by 1FreeAmerican
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To: 1FreeAmerican

Slugs


15 posted on 11/15/2021 5:26:03 AM PST by donozark (Awaiting the arrival of Biden's Black Marias...)
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To: marktwain

Where’s Ted Nugent when we need him? ? ?


16 posted on 11/15/2021 5:28:49 AM PST by MCSETots
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To: marktwain

The Prosecution doesn’t really have a case, as far as I can see.
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That’s how I see it too. The fact that the prosecution is falling back to argue over whether or not Rittenhouse violated an obscure law forcing 17 year old hunters to take a safety course says that the prosecution is conceding that Rittenhouse was defending himself. If I were a juror I would view inclusion of this charge as a technical gotcha.

If Rittenhouse was defending himself then this trial is over.


17 posted on 11/15/2021 5:29:52 AM PST by nagant
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To: marktwain

True justice would be if Kyle walks on everything, not-guilty. He’s suffered enough.


18 posted on 11/15/2021 5:32:17 AM PST by 1Old Pro (Let's make crime illegal again!)
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To: rlmorel

“... if there was anything illegal about the gun ...”

The fact that this question even needs to be raised is insane.

“Is there anything illegal about this crossbow?”
“Is there anything illegal about this hammer?”
“Is there anything illegal about this book?”


19 posted on 11/15/2021 5:32:30 AM PST by throwthebumsout
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To: 1Old Pro
True justice would be if Kyle walks on everything, not-guilty. He’s suffered enough.

That would be a good start.

A 10 million dollar payout for malicious prosecution on the weapons charge, at least, would be another good start.

I would like to see his case made into a movie, with Kyle the hero, DA Gravelly the evil mastermind, and ADA Binger and Kraus as his willing henchmen.

20 posted on 11/15/2021 5:46:18 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries. )
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