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'Experts' struggle to explain why the free state of Florida has half the COVID case rate of masked and vax-mandated California
American Thinker ^ | 11/10/2021 | Thomas Lifson

Posted on 11/10/2021 9:19:58 AM PST by SeekAndFind

It's definitely embarrassing for "experts" when the people following their advice do worse than those who flout it.  But that's currently the case when it comes to reining in COVID.  Leslie Eastman writes at Legal Insurrection:

Just ahead of the recall election that he survived, Gov. Gavin Newsom boasted that California "continues to lead the nation" as the only state to reach the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's yellow "moderate" tier of community virus transmission. Meanwhile, Florida's Governor Ron DeSantis was getting a media pounding for his state's case rate.

Now California's case rate is twice that of the Sunshine State's.

Have you noticed that Sweden, which never locked down and which focused on protecting the most vulnerable — as has always been the approach taken to epidemics until China role-modeled total lockdowns to fight the virus it created — has virtually disappeared from the media?  Turns out that COVID is not exactly exploding as the winter months force people indoors, where virus transmission is more probable than outdoors:


Source.

Why, it's almost as if we've been given bad advice and paid an enormous cost for measures that haven't solved the epidemic and may have made it worse.  Children losing more than a year of in-person schooling.  Medical tests and procedures postponed or canceled.  Businesses destroyed.  Unbearable psychological stress and soaring suicide rates among children.  "Two weeks to flatten the curve" made sense at a time when hospitals might have been overrun, but the "two weeks" part lasted less than two weeks.


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Eastman cites a University of California San Francisco expert who is trying to explain.  It's herd immunity, even if that term is not used here:

California saw fewer coronavirus infections over the summer than states with lower vaccination rates as the Delta variant rapidly spread in unvaccinated communities.

But those who were infected now have immunity, meaning there are fewer people spreading the virus.

"These regions are now being partly protected by high prior infection rates," Dr. Bob Wachter, chair of the medical department at the University of California-San Francisco, recently told The Mercury News. "But these people whose immunity comes from COVID are not very well protected, and their immunity will wane with time."

Now, Dr. Wachter is incomparably better credentialed than I am, and UCSF is a top medical school, but I wonder why he is so certain that natural immunity will fade more than vaccines, which we already are told require booster shots.  This massive (2.5 million people) Israeli study found "that natural immunity is stronger and longer-lasting than vaccination, but also noted that a single dose of vaccine likely can offer additional protection from the Delta Variant to those who recovered from SARS-CoV-2."


1 posted on 11/10/2021 9:19:58 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Uh, vitamin D?


2 posted on 11/10/2021 9:20:49 AM PST by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? 😕)
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To: SeekAndFind

Has Fauxcy spoken to this situation?


3 posted on 11/10/2021 9:21:11 AM PST by Paladin2 (Critical Marx Theory is The SOLUTION....)
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To: SeekAndFind

I would DEFINITELY be interested in the scientific opinions of knowledgeable FReepers in explaining why this phenomenon is happening.

Is it weather related?

Is herd immunity kicking in in Florida? Or will the virus and its mutations return with a vengeance later?

Is it POLICY related? Or is it the case that the virus will go through its natural course regardless of what DeSantis or Newsom does?


4 posted on 11/10/2021 9:22:22 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: rktman

RE: Uh, vitamin D?

Orally taken or sunshine?

If sunshine, California has lots of it too.


5 posted on 11/10/2021 9:22:56 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
But these people whose immunity comes from COVID are not very well protected, and their immunity will wane with time.

This is an outright lie.

6 posted on 11/10/2021 9:23:06 AM PST by Blennos ( )
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To: SeekAndFind
Herd immunity?

Vitamins D and Zinc?

7 posted on 11/10/2021 9:23:24 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Eccl10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“”But these people whose immunity comes from COVID are not very well protected, and their immunity will wane with time.””

Spoken from the pulpit in the Church of no Science. Fauxcy is the Prophet of same.


8 posted on 11/10/2021 9:24:18 AM PST by Paladin2 (Critical Marx Theory is The SOLUTION....)
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To: rktman

But California has Fruits and Nuts!


9 posted on 11/10/2021 9:24:57 AM PST by Portcall24
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To: rktman

Vitamin D and UV rays.
Sunlight is hell on viruses.


10 posted on 11/10/2021 9:26:23 AM PST by Little Ray (Civilization runs on a narrow margin. What sustains it is not magic, but hard work. )
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Ron DeSantis @GovRonDeSantis

We started with 15 days to slow the spread, now they are forcing you to get a jab or else lose your job.

Florida will fight back.

8:00 PM · Nov 7, 2021


11 posted on 11/10/2021 9:26:29 AM PST by McGruff
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RE: Herd immunity?
Vitamins D and Zinc?

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1) How did Florida get herd immunity? Why do not see this in other states?

2) Is there any statistical data showing us that Floridians consume more Vitamin D and Zinc than those of other states?


12 posted on 11/10/2021 9:28:00 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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But these people whose immunity comes from COVID are not very well protected, and their immunity will wane with time.

That's an outright lie. Natural immunity isn't 'leaky' and lasts longer. The notavax is less effective with each jab and degree pf protection (if any) gets less.
13 posted on 11/10/2021 9:28:44 AM PST by Little Ray (Civilization runs on a narrow margin. What sustains it is not magic, but hard work. )
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To: SeekAndFind

The simple answer is that the so-called experts are anything but. They are proof of the worthlessness of many college degrees and industry credentials.

People with long lists of degrees and citations who are always wrong. Frauds.


14 posted on 11/10/2021 9:30:45 AM PST by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: SeekAndFind

I thought Population Density would be a factor. But FLorida is at 353 per square mile while CA is 351. But California may be more densely packed near the coast.

Florida is the sunshine state, but California outranks it as far as number of sunny days. Maybe beaches are more accessible in Florida than California. Florida has 1100 miles of coastline, most of which is sandy beaches. California has 840 miles of coast.


15 posted on 11/10/2021 9:31:50 AM PST by DannyTN
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That man should have been fired and maybe even put in prison: lying under oath regards gain of function testing, spreading lies about the Wuhan origin idea to cover his own ass (labeling that as a crazy conspiracy theory), outsources dangerous and illegal testing to China in order to circumvent US laws and ethical standards...

The fact that he even still holds that position is a testament to the political nature of this administration (President) that rewards loyal political servants in complete disregard of the law, ethics, etc.

16 posted on 11/10/2021 9:33:48 AM PST by Red6
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To: SeekAndFind

Because Not wearing a mask, or altering your DNA allows you to achieve something called “Natuaral Immunity”


17 posted on 11/10/2021 9:34:11 AM PST by nevermorelenore ( If My people will pray ....)
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RE: Because Not wearing a mask, or altering your DNA allows you to achieve something called “Natuaral Immunity”

Yes, unfortunately, you have to risk getting infected first and possibly getting very sick or ( God forbid ) hospitalized to achieve that.


18 posted on 11/10/2021 9:37:39 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Florida isn’t lying about the numbers like everyone else.


19 posted on 11/10/2021 9:40:24 AM PST by CodeToad (Arm up! They Have!)
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To: rktman

California tests its K-12 students constantly; FL likely rarely.

My own daughter has been tested a dozen times since Oct alone. Her school tests before every game/match/meet and dance and every extra curricular event (because her private school doesn’t require teen athletes to be vaxxed, unlike CA public schools).

After a “masked exposure,” all CA K-12 students are tested a few more times as well.

The more you test asymptomatic people, the more “cases” will be found. The only virus so severe that you have to be tested to know you have it! (If young.)


20 posted on 11/10/2021 9:41:10 AM PST by olivia3boys
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