Posted on 11/10/2021 5:52:08 AM PST by Kaslin
Perhaps I’m missing the essence, but I don’t think I see where the thoughts, vocalizations, or actions of the man being executed are being infringed.
Instead, there is a priest in the execution chamber and the situation seems to be that the actions and vocalizations of the priest are being restricted while he is in that chamber.
Is this such a big deal? Can’t the priest perform actions at a distance? Step outside of the room?
When is the point in time that GOD no longer will 'save' a sinful man?
Why am I reminded of a parable?
Matthew 20:1-16
Can Americans Exercise Religion in an Execution Chamber?
I know religion seems to be missing in the abortion chambers of America.
When is the Priest of Heaven going to say Last Rites over us?
"Even inadvertent interference with the IV lines could cause pain to Ramirez and emotional distress to his victim's family.
Vocalizing during the lethal injection would interfere with the drug team's ability to monitor and respond to unexpected occurrences.
TDCJ's prohibitions on contact and vocalization further its compelling interests."
...and pigs could fly.
It is shameful for a state run by Christians not to let clergyman do a historically done Christian religious rite.
If the interests were truly compelling the regulation would be decades old.
Another example of toxic diversity
Texas law, I mean. Can’t allow last rites (I don’t subscribe to RCC myself) because then we’d have to allow some diversity religion access too.
Apparently no Catholic took part in drafting that law or if Catholic, never observed Last Rights. If the criminal was truly repentant, Last Rites serves as the Lord’s warm, welcoming embrace.
If he was acting, the administration of Last Rites has no effect on saving his immortal soul.
Is this such a big deal? Can’t the priest perform actions at a distance? Step outside of the room?
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If it isn’t a big deal just let the priest, pastor or whatever in the room. I don’t know how it could hurt anything as long as the pastor or priest is well vetted.
I think they should just throw the guy down a well and forget about him but I don’t think letting a priest in will hurt anything.
No such touching should ever be permitted during an active exucution.
I can imagine some death row inmate arranging for the priest to have some kind of chemical on his fingertips that may work to slow down or even stop the execution chemical from working.
No. Bad idea.
While I actually agree with you, the article attempts to detail the government’s reasons why touching the prisoner and/or speaking in the chamber are “bad things” to do.
I think it’s BS. But I also think that doing things outside the room would be just as useful to the soul of the condemned man. Seems like both sides are “trying” to have a disagreement.
You are really ignorant you know that?
“Even inadvertent interference with the IV lines could cause pain to Ramirez and emotional distress to his victim’s family.
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I think if the court agrees that the above alleged fact is accurate, real and/or substantive then the Church loses.
That said, I’ve experienced IV lines several times in my life and they got bumped, pulled, yanked and generally messed with all the time.
Personally, I think this guy should be given to the local butcher and put into his hamburger meat grinder and fed to the dogs.
You have a wild imagination! Nothing the priest would or could do with a touch would prevent the drugs they use from killing the inmate. They use enough potassium chloride to kill everyone in the room.
If the priest would dislodge the IV, highly unlikely, they would simply reinsert it.
And when the method of execution is by hanging, the priest cannot be standing on the trap door with the condemned person or when the person's neck is snapped at the end of the drop.
More reason to eliminate the lethal injection method of execution!
Devil: I lost Mussolini that way, all that work, then right at the end with the rope around his neck, he says, ‘Scusi. Mille regretti,’ and up he goes!”
It would cause no more pain than the initial IV placement. Regardless, some pain is not Cruel & Unusual Punishment.
No part of life is pain free. Certainly not death.
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What if the priest touches him after death, and he rises from the dead????
Better not have a chance at that!!!!
This is a confusing article.
It’s confusing because the current case before the court has to do with a prisoner who is a Baptist(?) but the precedent being cited is for a Roman Catholic. The Roman Catholic Church has very precise rituals for receiving last confession from the dying and the final blessing of the deceased. Whether or not you agree with them, they are administered in a restrained manner by an ordained priest. There’s no such guarantee with respect to the conduct of the pastor that the condemned prisoner wants to have in the execution chamber with him.
Although the article reports the state framing it’s objections to the pastor’s presence in the form of interfering with the actual process of the execution, it does also mention detracting from the solemnity of the occasion.
My concern would be that, once the gates are opened to allow anyone claiming to be the condemned person’s religious counselor into the execution chamber, that it will turn into a total clown show when some offbeat religion decides to do it’s thing during the execution. This is what inevitably happens when you have people with their own agendas (to include the condemned person mischievously wanting to “make a statement”) interjecting themselves into the process.
Since you can’t discriminate against one religion over another, there’s no way to allow religions with acceptable practices with respect to the dying and dead into the execution chamber while excluding the ones that would cause a disruption through untoward behavior.
That’s just another “free speech/free exercise” ACLU lawsuit waiting to happen.
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