Very sad. I feel sorry for the threatened apartment dweller who will have to live with what happened.
Would it have been possible to have retreated into a bedroom and locked the door until police arrived?
Flame away.
“Would it have been possible to have retreated into a bedroom and locked the door until police arrived?”
Sure, if the apartment had a reinforced steel Rape Gate, like all decent homes do in South Africa (ever since they allowed Democrats to hold power there). Otherwise, no...not a prayer.
Would it have been possible to have retreated into a bedroom and locked the door until police arrived?
Flame away.
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There are probably many different ways it could have been handled such as the legal occupants leaving the premises if possible and as you suggested locking themselves in the bathroom.
But when a seemingly and now verifiable crazy person is actually closing on you after threatening to kill you there is not much time for consideration of alternatives.
If it were me I would have done what the occupant did.
Ask and you shall receive. DID YOU BOTHER TO READ THE ARTICLE?
Multiple calls to 911 at 3:30 AM
The perp kept pounding on the door
The perp broke a window
The perp got into the apartment
The perp advanced on the renter
Other considerations
This is Oregon home of Antifa and the defund the police movement
Eugene is a college town many of the apartments cater to the student meaning the unit probably is a studio, retreat where?
Retreat in your home at 3:30 AM to wait for the police is a or could be a fatal mistake for the innocent person.
This man did the right thing. The fact that Eugene authorities (a deep blue city) agrees says a lot about the situation.
When the police are removed from society, all crimes carry the death penalty. Expect to see more of this, especially in areas that have experienced riots and other crimes with no consequences.
“Would it have been possible to have retreated into a bedroom and locked the door until police arrived?”
Skyler seemed pretty determined considering the first 2 shots didn’t convince him to go away. I would suggest that the homeowner consider buying premium ammunition or spend more time at the range.
“Would it have been possible to have retreated into a bedroom and locked the door until police arrived?”
You do realize the average apartment interior door is more privacy curtain than door don’t you?
First rule of life...Don’t do stupid things.
Second rule of life...If someone does stupid things that threaten the safety of you or others, use whatever force necessary to end the threat.
Per the article the apartment dweller fired two rounds and stopped. The third round was fired when the soon to be dead idiot kept advancing. I would have emptied the magazine (or cylinder if a revolver) and quickly reloaded.
And then, when that doesn’t hold him back, they should retreat to the closet?
And the when the guy is breaking thru the closet, they should hide in some coats in the corner?
And when that doesn’t work……
Duty to retreat never helped any situation.
He already broke through one door. Another was going to stop him???
Anyone who keeps coming after someone points a gun at him and then shoots him twice, deserves what they get.
If one door and being shot twice didn’t stop him, locking themselves in their bedroom hoping for police to arrive in time wasn’t an option.
So, a man has come to your apartment, banged on the door multiple times, broken a window, gained ingress to your apartment, and is advancing towards you while issuing multiple death threats. And rather than defending yourself with a firearm, you decide to instead retreat to the bathroom.
You (and your wife) are now locked inside a small bathroom that has only a 1x2' window (for ventilation).
For a few seconds, it's quiet.
Then you hear some liquid being splashed around outside the bathroom door. You smell gasoline. Then, suddenly, WHOOSH!
There is no escape.
How do you know that that WON'T happen?
Regards,
What's that going to do? One kick and any flimsy bedroom or bathroom door is easily breached. Hiding in a bedroom, or any other room, most likely decreases your tactical advantage. I'd rather deal with the invader when he first enters the house.
I own apartments and most, unless the tenant puts them on, don’t have bedroom locking doors. That is not provided, nor do renters want them. We are talking about 700 sq feet of space, not much room to run and hide behind non locked doors that are hollow and can be smashed in a second.
Missing information (this and all online reports seem to derive from the same ancestor): Exact time the deceased smashed through a window, with a pumpkin no less, and entered the apartment. Exact time apartment residents made numerous 911 calls. Exact time police arrived at the apartment. Nature of Weisberg’s mental illness, prior episodes, and history of violence. Whether Weisberg was armed. How long ago Weisberg supposedly lived at the address with his “wife”.
Certainly sounds as if the time from break-in to shooting was brief, that the deceased refused to listen to reason, that the residents had good reason to fear for their lives, and that the police did not arrive instantaneously. Cheap apartment bedroom doors would hardly keep out a determined psychotic more than a few seconds, and have afforded the home invader opportunities to grab impromptu weapons. Moving backwards while an aggressor lunges at you puts you at a major disadvantage. So, no, retreat was not a viable option.
The shooter even gave the psychotic a chance to stop after the first two shots and finished him off when he persisted to advance. Sad that the guy was a nut, but the shooting was as justified as can be.
The assumption that the intruder was nonviolent and unarmed is quite revealing.
To state nothing of the residents being prisoners in their own home under your paradigm.
No Flames here. Taking a life is something that the apartment person will need to live with for the rest of his life. It will take an emotional toll.
In concealed carry training, I was taught that if you draw your weapon, depending on the local DA and police, you may end up in jail, no matter how justified you were in using deadly force. Basically, the judicial system does not necessarily come out with “just” results. The skill of the DA and the emotions of the jury often overturn justice.
We were taught that if you feel your life or the life of someone is in danger, then by all means, “shoot to live.” If you feel it is a life and death situation, and you choose life, then that will be a decision you must live with for the rest of your life.
My personal strategy is to back away from a deadly force confrontation if possible. If not possible, then do everything a “reasonable man” would do to avoid the use of deadly force, given the amount of time available. There may not be time to avoid deadly force.
And yes, I have a valid Oregon concealed pistol license.
Would it have been possible to have retreated into a bedroom and locked the door until police arrived?