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Schools debate: Gifted and talented, or racist and elitist?
The Associated Press ^ | October 28, 2021 | By BOBBY CAINA CALVAN

Posted on 10/28/2021 7:24:54 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

NEW YORK — Communities across the United States are reconsidering their approach to gifted and talented programs in schools as vocal parents blame such elite programs for worsening racial segregation and inequities in the country’s education system.

A plan announced by New York City’s mayor to phase out elementary school gifted and talented programs in the country’s largest school district — if it proceeds — would be among the most significant developments yet in a push that extends from Boston to Seattle and that has stoked passions and pain over race, inequality and access to a decent education.

From the start, gifted and talented school programs drew worries they would produce an educational caste system in U.S. public schools. Many of the exclusive programs trace their origins to efforts to stanch “white flight” from public schools, particularly in diversifying urban areas, by providing high-caliber educational programs that could compete with private or parochial schools.

Increasingly, parents and school boards are grappling with difficult questions over equity, as they discuss how to accommodate the educational aspirations of advanced learners while nurturing other students so they can equally thrive. It’s a quandary that is driving the debate over whether to expand gifted and talented programs or abolish them altogether.

“I get the burn-it-down and tear-it-down mentality, but what do we replace it with?” asked Marcia Gentry, a professor of education and the director of the Gifted Education Research and Resource Institute at Purdue University.

(Excerpt) Read more at apnews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bidenvoters; gifted; marxism; public; schools
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

It is nearly axiomatic to say that classes and schools for the gifted and talented are elitist, since they are only taking the best and most talented students. But it does not need elitist in a class sense if poor smart and talented kids have the same opportunities as rich smart and talented kids.

It can only be racist if there are external barriers (such as “we don’t serve your kind here”) that prevent minorities from attending.


21 posted on 10/28/2021 7:57:51 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Stupid people and smart people will always segregate each other. Who wants to hang around with a moron?


22 posted on 10/28/2021 7:59:27 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: DoodleBob

“Back in the day, us non-Mensa kids could care less about these classes.”

I almost joined Mensa. When I graduated from college, someone asked me if I wanted to join Mensa. I told him OK. I took their admission IQ test and got a really high score. I joined and 2 hours later they asked me if I wanted to go with them to protest the (Vietnam) War. Being a veteran, I declined and promptly resigned from Mensa. I belonged to Mensa for a little over 2 hours. I didn’t want to belong to a group of stuck-on-themselves liberals.


23 posted on 10/28/2021 8:00:57 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Socialism always ends in concentration camps and murder.)
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To: DoodleBob

Yet the welders and plumbers often make more $. The best revenge.


24 posted on 10/28/2021 8:05:17 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: Lurker

I love that quote from Heinlein. It is so spot on. Thanks for posting!


25 posted on 10/28/2021 8:05:27 AM PDT by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Suppo)
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To: Lockbox
Remember the Libs have pre school and the schools under their control and there is a complete failure in public education system. Don’t believe me, research the information! U.S. Department of Education: 79% of Chicago 8th Graders Not Proficient in Reading

Our big city public schools are a disgrace and almost a total failure (the charter schools and magnet schools are en exception but they are trying to do away with these now). The teachers and administrators cry for more money but we already spend more per student than just about any industrialized nation in the world. I have an older sib who does subbing in a metropolitan system and having high school seniors who can barely read and write is not a rarity.

26 posted on 10/28/2021 8:09:32 AM PDT by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Suppo)
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To: Lockbox

Dumbing down in the name of “racial equity”. good grief

I saw more a week or two ago the NCAA was considering dropping test scores for athletes again under the guise of racial equity Even though 18 to 22 starters are black with a minimum test score

how ridiculously low that is now

Time to put the student in student athlete they got their NIL and scholarships. Now it’s weed out the fake stones this isn’t professional league farm teams


27 posted on 10/28/2021 8:19:38 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (#LeaveTheGOP. Pass it on Liberty Valance Time. The point of a gun is the only law they understan)
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To: Leaning Right
--"varsity football, with only the most talented players making the cut?"

some families spending thousands of dollars on tutoring and expensive specialized programs to boost scores

IMG Academy:
Yearly Tuition (Boarding Students) $84,400 (Tuition varies depending on your sport program.)
Enrollment 1300 students
Grades Offered 6-12
% Students of Color 51%
% International Students 35%

"But why isn’t IMG Academy not receiving any scrutiny? More athletic factory than high school, the players that comprise the Ascenders roster are the best of the best. A program where nearly every kid holds, or will receive, a college scholarship."

https://www.smdailyjournal.com/sports/local/giving-high-school-sports-a-bad-name/article_5a2170a2-0b87-11ec-9e27-87ba37195186.html

28 posted on 10/28/2021 8:27:43 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
I am familiar with IMG Academy as a went there for lawn darts. Unfortunately a poor throw on my part led to my expulsion.


29 posted on 10/28/2021 9:10:47 AM PDT by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: sten

I have a higher IQ.

My parents were VERY clear I was NOT going into any gifted program for two reasons.

1. Those were reserved (in my school) for the teachers kids and children of other influential people in the district. Hog farmer’s kids need not apply.

2. You spend a few years being told you are special, and it ruins you. You may have a gift, but that does not make you special. What you do with what your given in the determining factor. Dad said it was like being able to run fast. All find and good, but what will you do with that gift? How do you develop it? Is it worth the cost to develop it?

Dad felt it was better I get used to communicating to “normal” people. It worked. I have done well in my career for being able to “Speak redneck”. Nothing gets you in trouble faster than having someone think you are smarter than them from the word go.

Some of those gifted people? Some did well. A lot flamed out in college where they had to work for the first time.

Was school boring for me? At times. But my teachers would just throw more work at me to shut me up.


30 posted on 10/28/2021 9:22:33 AM PDT by redgolum (If this is civilization, I will be the barbarian. )
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To: Leaning Right

—”a poor throw on my part led to my expulsion.”

What a bummer!

You could’ave been a contender, could’ve been a somebody, instead of a bum...

So sad.


31 posted on 10/28/2021 10:27:28 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

This is despicable!


32 posted on 10/28/2021 10:43:14 AM PDT by bryan999
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