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Navy Not Sure What USS Connecticut Struck in the South China Sea, Beijing Accuses U.S. of Cover-Up
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Posted on 10/27/2021 10:01:52 PM PDT by algore

The U.S. Navy still isn’t positive what one of its most powerful attack submarines hit in the South China Sea, as repair assessments continue in Guam, four sources familiar with the results of the preliminary investigations told USNI News this week.

As of Tuesday afternoon, the undersea object that damaged the forward section of USS Connecticut (SSN-22) had not been definitively determined as part of several investigations into the Oct. 2 incident, the sources said.

Early indications were Connecticut hit a seamount in the South China Sea, two defense officials familiar with the Navy’s examination of the submarines told USNI News, but that has not been confirmed by investigators. Politico first reported earlier this month that the boat may have hit an undersea feature.

Cmdr. Cindy Fields, a spokesperson with Submarine Force, U.S. Pacific Fleet, told USNI News the command had nothing to add to its initial statement on what the submarine hit. She said two investigations – a safety investigation board convened by COMSUBPAC and a command investigation overseen by the Japan-based U.S. 7th Fleet – are currently looking into the incident.

“Connecticut struck an object while submerged on the afternoon of Oct. 2, while operating in international waters in the Indo-Pacific region,” PACFLEET said on Oct. 7.

The impact to the forward part of the attack submarine damaged the submarine’s forward ballast tanks and forced the boat to make a week-long trip on the surface to Guam, two defense officials told USNI News this week.

The four sources confirmed the Navy’s public statement that the reactor compartment of the submarine was undamaged from when the boat hit the object.

Since returning to Guam, the boat is still under evaluation for the scope of repairs by Naval Sea Systems Command, personnel from the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard and submarine tender USS Emory S. Land (AS-39), Fields told USNI News on Tuesday.

The teams will first determine what repairs Connecticut needs to leave Guam safely and then follow-on repairs, Fields said. The closest dry dock for major submarine maintenance is in Hawaii. The Puget Sound Naval Shipyard, which is near the attack boat’s homeport in Bremerton, Wash., is the second closest dry dock.

While repairs and several investigations continue, Chinese officials have accused the U.S. of concealing details of the incident from Beijing.

“The Chinese side has repeatedly expressed grave concerns over the matter and asked the U.S. side to make clarifications,” Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said on Tuesday.

“We have seen nothing but a brief and vague statement issued by the U.S. military with procrastination, and a confirmation by a so-called informant that the incident did happen in the South China Sea.

Such an irresponsible, cagey practice gives regional countries and the international community every reason to question the truth of the incident and the intention of the U.S.”


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; cindyfields; southchinasea; ssn22; submarine; usn; usnavy; uspacificfleet; ussconnecticut
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It was reported that the sub may have hit a feature

The Chinese want to know if it really hit one of their bugs

1 posted on 10/27/2021 10:01:52 PM PDT by algore
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To: algore

They hit the wall at the edge of the Earth and the mermaids pushed them back...with whales and dolphins helping. That lazy leviathan just floated and laughed.


2 posted on 10/27/2021 10:25:01 PM PDT by Whatever Works
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To: algore

Queue the thread about all of the ship containers floating free in the ocean after falling overboard. They don’t all float at the surface.


3 posted on 10/27/2021 10:30:26 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (America -- July 4, 1776 to November 3, 2020 -- R.I.P.)
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To: algore

this is the south china sea area

would not surprise me if china hadn’t changed some topography there, especially if its in an area with very tight spaces

if people have highly detailed charts regularly updated, that they are going off of for manuevers, they could be caught unawares by a deliberate object in their path


4 posted on 10/27/2021 10:43:46 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

I can’t imagine that a freely-drifting shipping container would begin to have enough inertia to do that kind of damage. Would be at most a fender-bender for the sub, if that. And the boat’s speed would be modest that close to the seafloor. Is there evidence to the contrary?


5 posted on 10/27/2021 10:45:43 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: algore

1974

My sub (Boomer) hit something on patrol in the Med (a few hundred miles east of Gibraltar) while we were at about 250 feet.

I was on watch in the torpedo room (most forward compartment on the boat). It was less of a “bang” and more of a “dull thump” and there was the slightest shimmy/vibration for a half sec or less.

Never found out what it was. Could have been a whale, some kind of percussion device, a piece of sea junk of some sort floating around at that depth. People got very excited for about 20 minutes while we checked for damage/leaks. Then back to sleep/card game.

Every now and then we had to go to “ultra-quiet” because a probable Soviet sub was detected within a few hundred yards. Underwater collisions are quite possible.

As we entered and left through the Straits of Gibraltar to the Atlantic we went as fast as we could and tried to get “lost” in the massive amount of shipping traffic noise 200 feet above us. Soviet subs would sit on either side of the strait trying to pick us up and track us.


6 posted on 10/27/2021 10:45:45 PM PDT by Az Joe ("Scratch a Liberal, and a Fascist bleeds")
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To: Az Joe

Gibraltar, reminds me of that scene in Das Boot.


7 posted on 10/27/2021 10:53:34 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up....)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

I think i saw a robert redford movie about that

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2017038/


8 posted on 10/27/2021 11:32:19 PM PDT by algore ( )
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To: algore

What business is it of the Chicoms?
Unless one of their boats is missing?


9 posted on 10/28/2021 12:44:26 AM PDT by Mr Radical (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act)
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To: algore

Ask the two Navy queens, Admirals Levine and Kirby for their opinions!!

Bad joke coming! How do you address Adm. Rachel Levine? By shopping for her at the Dress Barn.


10 posted on 10/28/2021 1:26:38 AM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (Figures )
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To: Az Joe

Thanks for the brief personal narrative on boomer activity - probably the most interesting thing I’ll read all day (or week).


11 posted on 10/28/2021 2:22:27 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("You'll never hear surf music again" - J. Hendrix)
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To: Az Joe

Interesting read....thanks for posting.


12 posted on 10/28/2021 2:23:54 AM PDT by caww ( )
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To: algore

Check for paint from a Chinese Sub ,LOL


13 posted on 10/28/2021 4:16:36 AM PDT by butlerweave
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To: algore

Godzilla


14 posted on 10/28/2021 4:26:50 AM PDT by Renkluaf
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To: algore
Hit was not another sub, not a land feature - leaves 2 categories : large remotely operated submersible or a USO. Going for USO as the Navy would likely say if it were a large submersible.

see :
US Navy Subs Detect Unidentified Speeding Underwater Crafts moving at hundreds of knots.

What U.S. Submariners Actually Say About Detection Of So-Called Unidentified Submerged Objects
Big claims abound about mysterious objects submariners detect below the waves, so we went straight to the source and what we found out was surprising.
By Tyler Rogoway January 3, 2019

15 posted on 10/28/2021 4:37:10 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: DesertRhino
Das Boot

Great music at chase scene too:


16 posted on 10/28/2021 5:04:56 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Delete FB, TWTR, GOOGL, AMZN, YHOO, Gmail/chrome. Use Gab, Brave + DDG, VPN, Freerepublic )
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To: DCBryan1

One of my favorite movies!


17 posted on 10/28/2021 5:09:43 AM PDT by SMARTY (Republics decline into democracies & democracies degenerate into despotisms. Aristotle)
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To: algore

China is thinking that we may have some ‘traps’ at their choke points and is trying to get us to own-up.


18 posted on 10/28/2021 5:22:11 AM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's, I just don't tell anyone, like most here.)
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To: algore
...the boat may have hit an undersea feature...

Lots of folks think it was a pocket of "hard water" - everybody's heard of it...

19 posted on 10/28/2021 5:50:52 AM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("Shoeless Joe" played for the White Sox; "Clueless Joe" lives in the White House...)
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To: Who is John Galt?

a container of Prop wash?


20 posted on 10/28/2021 5:55:21 AM PDT by AppyPappy (How many fingers am I holding up, Winston? )
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