Posted on 10/25/2021 1:17:14 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
(I don't care for fanboy insults from either side - so dispense with the insults.)
...don’t lead with your chin.
Teslas start at $35,000 or so; the median family income in the US is (who knows anymore with the layoffs and COVID unemployment bucks) roughly $55,000.
And if you invested early in Amazon, Apple, and Tesla, unless they were token or “not much but it’s all I’ll have and I’ll take a gamble”, then you’re worth over a million.
Which reminds me of the Bush-bot a number of years back bragging about how trivial it was to make money in the market, and gave an example of (IIRC) fluctuations in GE’s share price ahead of the quarterly earnings announcement, which allowed him to make $$$$ in a day.
He was honestly surprised when I told him most Americans couldn’t front the $100,000 up front out of ready cash.
I know there are a LOT of FReepers who are on fixed incomes, have had health problems, etc. so I try to be aware of that rather than being condescending as you just were, in your pride and greed.
There you go again, with the insults because of your limited brain-power. This thread is about Tesla and Hertz, and I am not a fanboy of either, nor am I against them. I go with the logic and information at my disposal. You, on the other hand, resort to childish insults when information presented does not agree with you - and your insults have nothing to do with the subject matter. Grow up, why don't you.
There is no condescending talk from me. I wisely invested in buying and maintaining my home, and paid it off, meanwhile investing small amounts towards my future retirement so I wouldn't be a burden to anyone else. My wife and I have both had health problems, she with multiple bouts of cancer that saw her undergo numerous surgeries and treatments, thank God that we both prepared for our future so we could handle it financially. It's not greed to be self-sufficient, but liberals like you who don't work towards self-sufficiency think so.
For Tesla owners, renting one while on vacation or an out of town business trip might be reasonable. But those who don’t already own an electric vehicle are likely going to have to learn really fast how to keep those things charged. And they should hope a charging station is close to their hotel, because they probably can’t charge it from their room.
Well I’m glad you provided enough that you are not a burden on the state; there’s a line there between providing for your own needs, and The Rich Fool of the parable in the Gospels. Errors in both directions.
So to return to Tesla.
Go look up the electrical power used by a Tesla going (say) 40 miles in a day, as one of the other posters on the thread say is common for business users who would be renting from Hertz.
Multiply that by the number of new Teslas for Hertz alone.
Now add that amount to the power drawn on the electrical grid.
...now increase the numbers to account for a million Teslas as all the Karens demand one to keep up with the neighbors or Gruesome Newsome or Inslee mandates them.
And remember what O’Muslim said about “Under my administration, electrical costs would necessarily skyrocket.”
And remember who was VP under him, and who has accelerated the “Fundamental Transformation of The United States of America” since usurping the 2020 election.
Think carefully about California, which already has brown outs due to lack of power. Think of the debacle in Texas when they switched to using electricity to keep the natural gas lines warm, when there was a power outage, etc.
Go look up the figures for power losses for each line of high-tension line from the power plant to the electrical socket.
Allow for the costs, financial and moral, of children digging the metals needed for the batteries — in China. And the hidden costs of disposal and replacement of the batteries; and the possible time-of-day surcharges on electricity when trying to charge the cars; and a million other factors conveniently swept under the rug by those marketing these things.
Tesla CEO Elon Musk criticizes Democrats’ proposal to tax billionaires
Musk is the world’s richest person, worth about $300B
By Jonathan Garber
FOXBusiness
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/tesla-elon-musk-criticizes-democrats-tax-billionaires
Thanks for the information.
Interesting.
I wondered how people were doing with the cars. Your way would probably take care of most people’s needs (not sales representatives, long commute types and so on) but the local driving types which now includes me.
Look, you anal-retentive fool, I’m not here to debate the merits of EV’s vs ICE cars, nor am I here to have a pissing fight with an idiot who dispenses insults because a wiser person corrects them.
I have often stated on threads that I don’t believe EV’s will have the penetration into markets that others believe will happen, despite government mandates. ICE cars will continue to be made and sold long after 2035, and I believe that EV’s will only have a quarter of the vehicle market after that date. ICE vehicles are necessary for roles that can’t be adequately filled by EV’s. But no, you ignore that!
There are pros and cons to both sides. Fact of the matter, is that there is a demand for Tesla EV’s, and Tesla can’t meet the demand. And Tesla is making strides towards supporting their EV’s once sold, unlike GM & Ford and other makers. That support includes a charging network, making and recycling batteries, strengthening the power grid by working with utilities (a lot of Tesla growth is in partnerships with electric-utility companies). GM, Ford, VW, etc. have no plans in effect for their EV support. I invested in Tesla because I realized that they will grow as a utility provider, not because they make cars.
You're giving a fairly good impression of someone who came for a pissing match. Have a pitcher of water, to reload?
I have often stated on threads that I don’t believe EV’s will have the penetration into markets that others believe will happen, despite government mandates. ICE cars will continue to be made and sold long after 2035, and I believe that EV’s will only have a quarter of the vehicle market after that date. ICE vehicles are necessary for roles that can’t be adequately filled by EV’s. But no, you ignore that!
It's even worse than ignoring it. I don't think I've seen it in the first place, or at the least, don't remember. Between Afghanistan, immigration, and COVID, my FR attention has been pretty distracted lately.
There are pros and cons to both sides. Fact of the matter, is that there is a demand for Tesla EV’s, and Tesla can’t meet the demand. And Tesla is making strides towards supporting their EV’s once sold, unlike GM & Ford and other makers. That support includes a charging network, making and recycling batteries, strengthening the power grid by working with utilities (a lot of Tesla growth is in partnerships with electric-utility companies). GM, Ford, VW, etc. have no plans in effect for their EV support. I invested in Tesla because I realized that they will grow as a utility provider, not because they make cars.
From a business point of view, what you said makes sense. From an engineering/laws of physics sense, there are still major hurdles.
Enjoy your 0-60 in 3 seconds, and don't rear-end any Karens in their Chevy Blazers at a traffic light while doing so.
Our EV is perfect for shopping, medical visits, and recreational needs. We rarely drive more than 50 miles in any direction, at most 100 miles away.
We have other ICE cars, but they are gas hogs, and maintenance gets expensive. We got sick of paying for thousand-dollar tune-ups and other maintenance so we bought an EV. I use the truck to haul lumber, cement and other heavy goods. A sports car is used for out-of-state trips. I tried taking my truck out today, but the battery was dead from non-use; put it on a charge and then took the EV out for the ride. Simple matter is, that the EV is low maintenance and just works. My last EV service trip (mandated to keep the warranty in effect) was for $35. I can’t pay that little for my ICE vehicle servicing - clogged fuel injectors, platinum spark plugs, etc. that run the bill to many hundreds of dollars.
I'm glad we can agree on something. It's foolhardy for politicians like Biden and Newsom to mandate EV's and banning ICE vehicles. Particularly Biden as he supports GM & Ford and grants them rebate incentives while ignoring Tesla who is at least trying to take care of the hurdles. Government should just let the free market handle technology and overcoming limitations, and not blindly throw tax dollars haphazardly at it.
Amen.
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