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Anglosphere: Celebrating wrong Italian?
UPI ^ | 12 Oct 2002 | James C Bennett

Posted on 10/11/2021 8:08:12 AM PDT by Rummyfan

A few years ago I chanced to be in Buenos Aires on Columbus Day. It is a major holiday there, during which no business is transacted. I spent the day wandering about town enjoying the celebrations. One plaza held a Columbus Day festival in which passersby could enjoy demonstrations and samples of music, dance, crafts and foods of all the various Latin American nations, and of many of the source-nations of Argentina's immigration.

The interesting thing to me was the complete absence of anything representing the United States. This was not a coincidence. Columbus, and the holiday celebrating his landing in the New World, are seen throughout the Spanish-speaking world as having to do primarily with the extension of Spanish-speaking, Catholic civilization to the New World and the creation, through a conflicted encounter, of a new culture. It is, to coin a phrase, the creation of the Hispanosphere that is commemorated.

Traditionally, the role played by the United States in this narrative is not one of a joint participant, but rather an antagonist. In the narrative of Hispanosphere nationalists, Latin America is Shakespeare's Ariel, the graceful and sensitive artistic spirit. The United States, or "Gringolandia" as it is sometimes called, is Caliban, the powerful but ugly monster that dominates tragic Ariel.

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A repost in honor of Columbus Day. Yes, Columbus Day.
1 posted on 10/11/2021 8:08:12 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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It makes more sense to think of the European encounters with the Americas as three distinct main streams: one was the Spanish movement to the Caribbean, Mexico, Peru, and ultimately other areas, stemming from Columbus's voyage; another was the Portuguese movement to Brazil, which was intimately linked to their explorations of Africa predating Columbus; and the third was the stream of peoples from the British Isles and ultimately elsewhere to North America to found the nations of the North American Anglosphere. These three distinct streams founded the three principal cultural-linguistic communities of the Americas
2 posted on 10/11/2021 8:11:48 AM PDT by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Suppo)
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I have no doubt that the leftists will be pushing for a different Italian... Antonio Gramsci.


3 posted on 10/11/2021 8:13:04 AM PDT by hecticskeptic
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To: Rummyfan

“The United States is Caliban, the powerful but ugly monster

That explains why they are coming here in droves.

/S


4 posted on 10/11/2021 8:13:56 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.)
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To: Rummyfan

It is an odd article-why would the United States be included in anything? The USA didn’t even exist at the time.

Oh sure, they demonize the US as Gringolandia, but what does that have to do with anything?

I get the point they view three separate branches of exploration, not just Columbus, but...he was the first of them to the Americas.


5 posted on 10/11/2021 8:16:08 AM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists are The Droplet of Sewage in a gallon of ultra-pure clean water.)
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Well, if your’re going to celebrate a different Italisn why not Amerigo Vespucci, who it is named after?


6 posted on 10/11/2021 8:19:59 AM PDT by WLusvardi
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Well, if your’re going to celebrate a different Italisn why not Amerigo Vespucci, who it is named after?

Wasn't he just a mapmaker along on one of the trips?

7 posted on 10/11/2021 8:24:32 AM PDT by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Suppo)
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I’ve always wondered about the lag time between Columbus and the English settlement attempts.

More than a hundred years passes between 1492 and the attempt to settle the North Carolina coast, Jamestown Virginia , and the Mayflower of 1620.


8 posted on 10/11/2021 8:27:30 AM PDT by ChronicMA
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If it is Argentina I seriously doubt that there is significant Brazilian representaation. The two nations go well beyond detesting one another.


9 posted on 10/11/2021 8:31:45 AM PDT by Bookshelf
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“I have no doubt that the leftists will be pushing for a different Italian... Antonio Gramsci.”

Thing is, whether one likes Gramsci or not, his strategy of the “long walk through the institutions” has proved to be a huge success for the left.

I can’t think of a single institution they don’t control.

And that strategy could be used by us on the right as well, if we were even half as determined as the left to do so.

What we lack is an army of activists and organizers, people who believe so strongly in promoting and instituting their values that they’re willing to do whatever it takes to achieve that.


10 posted on 10/11/2021 8:36:14 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you care! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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To: Rummyfan

Amerigo Vespucci was actually an explorer and a map maker. He made four excursions across the ocean to the unknown continents.


11 posted on 10/11/2021 8:36:14 AM PDT by WLusvardi
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We are never told that it was Italians, more specifically Florencians from the city of Florence, who formulated the model of government of America. See the book

How Florence Invented America: Vespucci, Verrazzano, & Mazzei and Their Contribution to the Conception of the New World.

And totally buried is that America’s model of a Republic was based on that of Niccolo Machiavelli who was also from Florence, and who extolled the Old Roman Republic not the Roman Empire


12 posted on 10/11/2021 8:39:55 AM PDT by WLusvardi
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When I was in late grade school and junior high school in upstate New York, I really enjoyed learning about the great explorers of North America. They really stirred the imagination and were greatly admired and respected for what they accomplished (the "good old days").
Christopher Columbus, Francisco Vasquez de Coronado, Leif Ericson, Sir Francis Drake, Ponce de Leon, Giovanni da Verrazzano, Samuel de Champlain, Juan Rodríguez Cabrillo, Sir Walter Raleigh, Jacques Cartier, Henry Hudson, Hernando de Soto and John Cabot.
After moving to California, I had a whole bunch of new explorers to learn about.
Sebastián Vizcaíno, Juan de Ayala, Juan Rodríguez Cabrillo, Kit Carson, Thomas Coulter, Alexander Forbes, Captain Gaspar de Portola, Father Junipero Serra, and Juan Bautista de Anza.
Of course, there was the famous stop by Francis Drake in the Point Reyes area to refurbish his ships before setting sail across the Pacific in his circumnavigation exploration in 1579.

In California, we live right on the famous exploration routes of de Anza and de Portola. Both of them fly under the "woke" radar and the kooks haven't (yet) insisted that the signs honoring their expeditions be taken down.

13 posted on 10/11/2021 8:44:56 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“I believe the best social program is a job” ~ Ronald Reagan)
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The defeat of the Spanish Armada in 1588 brought up Brit confidence in establishing colonies in the New World. The bloom was off the rose as far as intimidating Spanish naval power was concerned.


14 posted on 10/11/2021 9:10:55 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 ( "...To the barricades...")
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Worth a mention also are Balboa (discoverer of the Pacific, sort of), Cabeza de Vaca (earliest narrative of the Texas coast, first European to mention the buffalo), Magellan (although he only explored South America, but first to circumnavigate the globe), Father Marquette, Louis Joliet, Robert de la Salle, and others.

Juan Rodriguez Cabrillo has traditionally been called Portuguese, but according to a biography of him which I bought at the Cabrillo National Monument, he probably was Spanish--the error came from someone misunderstanding a document.

Verrazzano is the only one on your list to be eaten by cannibals.

15 posted on 10/11/2021 9:14:33 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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The defeat of the Spanish Armada in 1588 brought up Brit confidence in establishing colonies in the New World. The bloom was off the rose as far as intimidating Spanish naval power was concerned.


16 posted on 10/11/2021 9:15:17 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 ( "...To the barricades...")
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To: ChronicMA

The English claims date to Cabot’s voyage of discovery in 1497. There was an earlier English colony in North Carolina in the 1580s which vanished, so it has to be labeled an unsuccessful attempt, but it was less than 90 years after Cabot’s voyage.


17 posted on 10/11/2021 9:16:48 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: ChronicMA

England had come through Civil War and then worked through the reign of Fat Henry and the conflicts with Spain and France,not to mention the upheavals in England itself caused by the religious struggles. This was followed by the struggle over succession ending with Elizabeth I and her conflicts with Spain. England also had socio economic problems brought about by the Enclosures


18 posted on 10/11/2021 9:22:14 AM PDT by xkaydet65 ( )
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To: Verginius Rufus
Thanks for the list expansion. There are so many I could have added!

Ever see the movie "Black Robe"? I haven't seen it in 30 years, but I remember it being excellent.

"Set in New France in 1634 (in the period of conflicts known as the Beaver Wars), the film begins in the settlement that will one day become Quebec City. Jesuit missionaries are trying to encourage the local Algonquin Indians to embrace Christianity, with thus far only limited results. Samuel de Champlain, founder of the settlement, sends Father LaForgue, a young Jesuit priest, to found a Catholic mission in a distant Huron village. With winter approaching, the journey will be difficult and cover as much as 1500 miles."

19 posted on 10/11/2021 9:22:16 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“Everything Woke turns to shit.” ~ President Donald Trump)
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Farther North we are more interested in Captains Bruno Heceta, James Cook and George Vancouver, then of course Robert Gray discovering the Columbia River along Lewis and Clark discovering the overland route.


20 posted on 10/11/2021 9:30:13 AM PDT by RainMan (Democrats ... making war against America since April 12, 1861)
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