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Effectiveness of Pfizer COVID-19 Vaccine Falls Below 50 Percent After 5 Months: Study
The Epoch Times ^ | 10-5-21 | Katabella Roberts

Posted on 10/05/2021 6:58:30 AM PDT by MNJohnnie

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To: FreedomVsControl

The data do not show efficacy against the Delta variant. In a disease with a 98% survival rate it is easy to claim a benefit from the vaccine, but the data (as Fauci is so fond of saying) do not seem to support the idea that vaccination is beneficial against Delta.

Look no further than Israel.

Fauci can say whatever he wishes but at some point people are going to figure this out despite the media echo chamber.


21 posted on 10/05/2021 7:38:12 AM PDT by volunbeer (Find the truth and accept it - anything else is delusional)
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To: MNJohnnie

if it’s not working

just do more of it


22 posted on 10/05/2021 7:40:58 AM PDT by Pollard (PureBlood)
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To: MNJohnnie
It time to stop reinforcing failure.

Failure?

Vaccine effectiveness against hospital admissions for infections with the delta variant for all ages was high overall (93% [95% CI 84–96]) up to 6 months.

23 posted on 10/05/2021 7:41:38 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: COBOL2Java

The correct headline would read: Effectiveness of Pfizer COVIC-19 vaccine remains 50% above “pure blood” after 5 months.


24 posted on 10/05/2021 7:45:29 AM PDT by phoneman08 (qwiyrqweopigradfdz oncmccRthym,.dadfjl,dz )
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To: FreedomVsControl
The vaccines fail after six months, they are never going to keep up with the variants. And most impoirtantly, they are never going to get 80% of us vaccinated with the latest shot all at the same time. So either they give in and start letting the early treatments get approved, or they stubbornly stick with the “booster shot” approach until coronavirus mutates away into something harmless.

The concern is in the other direction. (That the constant mutation of the virus will result in something that can't be protected against, either by shot or by natural immunity.)

25 posted on 10/05/2021 7:52:24 AM PDT by Captain Walker ("The side that has Truth gets Humor as a bonus.")
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To: mac_truck

A shot that has to be re-administered every 6 months to 7.62 billion people (i.e a 100% vaccination rate) to be effective is not a workable solution to the Covid problem

We need to stop lying to ourselves that it can be


26 posted on 10/05/2021 7:52:38 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (They would have abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
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To: phoneman08
Perhaps it remains above 50% because the subject has not been exposed to the chinese virus after five months??

Now we march on to Merkavectin or some concoction that costs like 700 per treatment rather than 7 cents per dose for the ivermectin. Same concept that NASA used to develop a pen that would write in space for millions while the Ruskies used a pencil. If it cost more it must be better.

27 posted on 10/05/2021 7:56:48 AM PDT by Mouton (The enemy of the people is the media )
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To: Captain Walker
The concern is in the other direction. (That the constant mutation of the virus will result in something that can't be protected against, either by shot or by natural immunity.)

That is an excellent point. We are playing with fire here. But the good news is that there is growing evidence that ivermectin is not only good at treating the disease, but that it has the potential to stop the spread as well. It appears to do everything they hoped the vaccines would. Will our "leaders" swallow their pride and do what is right???

28 posted on 10/05/2021 8:00:21 AM PDT by FreedomVsControl
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To: Captain Walker

That a rationalization that fly’s in the face of all medical history. it an example of a circular argument

The argument is this could theoretically happen so we need to have 100% vaccination to prevent it from happening despite the fact it has never happened before but it could theoretically happen.

it also ignores the fact that all previous vaccination worked by triggering the human bodies natural immune system. This approach does not do that and it is falling to provide the lasting protection all previous vaccinations provide

This is a failure, we need to stop clinging to existing dogmas out of ego and start looking for something that actually will work.


29 posted on 10/05/2021 8:02:04 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (They would have abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
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To: MNJohnnie

Well, new cases are dropping like a rock so hopefully this plandemic is waning now for sure: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailycases


30 posted on 10/05/2021 8:04:23 AM PDT by 1Old Pro (Let's make crime illegal again!)
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To: MNJohnnie
That a rationalization that fly’s in the face of all medical history. it an example of a circular argument

If I had argued for the shot, your statement here would make sense.

I have simply pointed out the danger of repeatedly trying to chase a mutated form of the virus; it's well-established that the virus would eventually mutate to the point where it couldn't be defeated by anything (either by a shot or by natural immunity).

31 posted on 10/05/2021 8:10:32 AM PDT by Captain Walker ("The side that has Truth gets Humor as a bonus.")
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To: 1Old Pro

Now that the fear porn is hurting, not helping, the Biden Democrats I am expecting Covid to start being considering “not newsworthy”

They are keeping in it up for now in the hope of ramming thought the Biden Vac Mandate. As the 2022 election cycle starts heating up I suspect this fear narrative in the Lying Media will fade away.


32 posted on 10/05/2021 8:11:45 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (They would have abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
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To: Mouton

It would be great if Ivermectin were found to be as effective as some believe. It would be nice to have an inexpensive treatment should the virus evade immunity.

Sadly, for most on this forum, Ivermectin is a crutch used to rationalize not taking the simple step of training the immune system to deal with a COVID infection via inoculation based on flimsy evidence of Ivermectin as a silver bullet.

I was one of the Hydroxychloriquin cheerleaders early on too. I’ll not fall for the hype a second time.


33 posted on 10/05/2021 8:15:10 AM PDT by phoneman08 (qwiyrqweopigradfdz oncmccRthym,.dadfjl,dz )
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To: MNJohnnie

The study shows the Pfizer shot remains 93% effective against serious Covid infection after 6 months...that doesn’t mean 6 months was an endpoint of the effectiveness.

Its way too soon to determine exactly how long protection against serious Covid-19 will be. Moderna phase 3 trials are still showing high levels of effectiveness after one year.

I’d also be less concerned about what happens in other countries right now, and just focus on the United States.


34 posted on 10/05/2021 8:24:49 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: mac_truck

Get your ego out of the way and stop clining to a failed dogma.

More people have died from Covid since we started the Vaccine blitz then died prior to it in the same amount of time

This is failing. And because people have gotten their egos engaged instead of their brains, they are refusing to see it.

It time to stop saying “but but but” and look at the facts

The vaccine is not doing what a vaccine is suppose to do. It not providing long lasting immunity

We need to stop lying to ourselves that if we just keep doing more of the same thing it is ever going to eradicate the disease.

We need to start looking at how we treat those who get it. Covid is here an it not going away no matter how many shots we dish out. That just the painful truth.


35 posted on 10/05/2021 8:30:49 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (They would have abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
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MNJohnnie wrote: “A shot that has to be re-administered every 6 months to 7.62 billion people (i.e a 100% vaccination rate) to be effective is not a workable solution to the Covid problem. We need to stop lying to ourselves that it can be”

Share with us your solution.


36 posted on 10/05/2021 8:30:53 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: FreedomVsControl

FreedomVsControl wrote: “That’s not what the medicare study found.”

Two different studies of different populations.
One study is medicare.
One study were members of the health care organization Kaiser Permanente Southern California.

Of course the numbers are different.


37 posted on 10/05/2021 8:39:41 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: volunbeer
For those frustrated with our nationally recommended supportive care plan they should study the response of Fauci to AIDS long ago. They denied therapeutics in favor of a vaccine and “supportive care”.

Fauci is an evil character obsessed with publicity, politics and power. He should have been fired after his failures with AIDS. What a spectacle that turned into! His actions resulted in many additional deaths, public hysteria and HIPPA, the second worst medical legislation in our country's history. (Obamacare being #1)

38 posted on 10/05/2021 8:56:47 AM PDT by fireman15
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To: DugwayDuke

A shot that needs to be re-administered every 6 months is not a vaccine

People need to stop making this apples to oranges comparison.

I not sure what the proper term for this is. Maybe “temporary preventative treatment”?

But the usual argument for vaccines applied to what ever this is program we are using is an applies to oranges argument.

A “vaccine” that requires a 7.62 billion, and growing, population to get shots every 6 months to be workable is a logistically, and fiscally, impossible to achieve

It time to stop lying to ourselves that this is working.


39 posted on 10/05/2021 9:24:13 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (They would have abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
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To: MNJohnnie

MNJohnnie wrote: “I not sure what the proper term for this is. Maybe “temporary preventative treatment”?”

IOW, the vaccines are the best solution until something better comes along?


40 posted on 10/05/2021 10:01:18 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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