Posted on 10/05/2021 6:58:30 AM PDT by MNJohnnie
The data do not show efficacy against the Delta variant. In a disease with a 98% survival rate it is easy to claim a benefit from the vaccine, but the data (as Fauci is so fond of saying) do not seem to support the idea that vaccination is beneficial against Delta.
Look no further than Israel.
Fauci can say whatever he wishes but at some point people are going to figure this out despite the media echo chamber.
if it’s not working
just do more of it
Failure?
Vaccine effectiveness against hospital admissions for infections with the delta variant for all ages was high overall (93% [95% CI 84–96]) up to 6 months.
The correct headline would read: Effectiveness of Pfizer COVIC-19 vaccine remains 50% above “pure blood” after 5 months.
The concern is in the other direction. (That the constant mutation of the virus will result in something that can't be protected against, either by shot or by natural immunity.)
A shot that has to be re-administered every 6 months to 7.62 billion people (i.e a 100% vaccination rate) to be effective is not a workable solution to the Covid problem
We need to stop lying to ourselves that it can be
Now we march on to Merkavectin or some concoction that costs like 700 per treatment rather than 7 cents per dose for the ivermectin. Same concept that NASA used to develop a pen that would write in space for millions while the Ruskies used a pencil. If it cost more it must be better.
That is an excellent point. We are playing with fire here. But the good news is that there is growing evidence that ivermectin is not only good at treating the disease, but that it has the potential to stop the spread as well. It appears to do everything they hoped the vaccines would. Will our "leaders" swallow their pride and do what is right???
That a rationalization that fly’s in the face of all medical history. it an example of a circular argument
The argument is this could theoretically happen so we need to have 100% vaccination to prevent it from happening despite the fact it has never happened before but it could theoretically happen.
it also ignores the fact that all previous vaccination worked by triggering the human bodies natural immune system. This approach does not do that and it is falling to provide the lasting protection all previous vaccinations provide
This is a failure, we need to stop clinging to existing dogmas out of ego and start looking for something that actually will work.
Well, new cases are dropping like a rock so hopefully this plandemic is waning now for sure: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailycases
If I had argued for the shot, your statement here would make sense.
I have simply pointed out the danger of repeatedly trying to chase a mutated form of the virus; it's well-established that the virus would eventually mutate to the point where it couldn't be defeated by anything (either by a shot or by natural immunity).
Now that the fear porn is hurting, not helping, the Biden Democrats I am expecting Covid to start being considering “not newsworthy”
They are keeping in it up for now in the hope of ramming thought the Biden Vac Mandate. As the 2022 election cycle starts heating up I suspect this fear narrative in the Lying Media will fade away.
It would be great if Ivermectin were found to be as effective as some believe. It would be nice to have an inexpensive treatment should the virus evade immunity.
Sadly, for most on this forum, Ivermectin is a crutch used to rationalize not taking the simple step of training the immune system to deal with a COVID infection via inoculation based on flimsy evidence of Ivermectin as a silver bullet.
I was one of the Hydroxychloriquin cheerleaders early on too. I’ll not fall for the hype a second time.
The study shows the Pfizer shot remains 93% effective against serious Covid infection after 6 months...that doesn’t mean 6 months was an endpoint of the effectiveness.
Its way too soon to determine exactly how long protection against serious Covid-19 will be. Moderna phase 3 trials are still showing high levels of effectiveness after one year.
I’d also be less concerned about what happens in other countries right now, and just focus on the United States.
Get your ego out of the way and stop clining to a failed dogma.
More people have died from Covid since we started the Vaccine blitz then died prior to it in the same amount of time
This is failing. And because people have gotten their egos engaged instead of their brains, they are refusing to see it.
It time to stop saying “but but but” and look at the facts
The vaccine is not doing what a vaccine is suppose to do. It not providing long lasting immunity
We need to stop lying to ourselves that if we just keep doing more of the same thing it is ever going to eradicate the disease.
We need to start looking at how we treat those who get it. Covid is here an it not going away no matter how many shots we dish out. That just the painful truth.
MNJohnnie wrote: “A shot that has to be re-administered every 6 months to 7.62 billion people (i.e a 100% vaccination rate) to be effective is not a workable solution to the Covid problem. We need to stop lying to ourselves that it can be”
Share with us your solution.
FreedomVsControl wrote: “That’s not what the medicare study found.”
Two different studies of different populations.
One study is medicare.
One study were members of the health care organization Kaiser Permanente Southern California.
Of course the numbers are different.
Fauci is an evil character obsessed with publicity, politics and power. He should have been fired after his failures with AIDS. What a spectacle that turned into! His actions resulted in many additional deaths, public hysteria and HIPPA, the second worst medical legislation in our country's history. (Obamacare being #1)
A shot that needs to be re-administered every 6 months is not a vaccine
People need to stop making this apples to oranges comparison.
I not sure what the proper term for this is. Maybe “temporary preventative treatment”?
But the usual argument for vaccines applied to what ever this is program we are using is an applies to oranges argument.
A “vaccine” that requires a 7.62 billion, and growing, population to get shots every 6 months to be workable is a logistically, and fiscally, impossible to achieve
It time to stop lying to ourselves that this is working.
MNJohnnie wrote: “I not sure what the proper term for this is. Maybe “temporary preventative treatment”?”
IOW, the vaccines are the best solution until something better comes along?
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