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The Marine Who Called for Afghanistan Accountability Has Been Thrown in Prison
townhall.com ^ | 9/28/2021 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 09/28/2021 7:09:56 AM PDT by rktman

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To: redgolum
Right -- you always have the right to refuse an illegal order. And you always have the right to take complaints up the chain of command. But challenging your superiors publicly is a different issue. It's a career-ender, and I think that's all that would have happened to him had he just done it the one time. Essentially, he's resigning in principle.

But you just can't keep doing that without additional consequences. I imagine he wouldn't have taken too kindly to a Sergeant in his command making similarly public comments about him, nor should he.

41 posted on 09/28/2021 8:47:15 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
Just because others have done something wrong does not absolve him.

Didn't say it did, but if they hadn't indulged all the other officers pulling sh*t like this, it would have been less likely that people would do it subsequently.

Same thing with the Stop the Steal rally. The Federal authorities allowed Antifa to burn buildings, assault people, and engage in riots, so this encouraged the belief that this behavior will be tolerated from others.

The breakdown in order preceded the Lt. Col.

42 posted on 09/28/2021 8:51:47 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp; SoCal Pubbie
"This situation seems oddly familiar. Seems like the country has been here before."

Hmmmm.... It happens pretty much any time Democrats are in charge.

43 posted on 09/28/2021 8:56:13 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: redgolum; Bruce Campbells Chin

What are you idiots talking about?

Nothing done merits prison.

It is gulag stuff.


44 posted on 09/28/2021 9:48:26 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: rktman

I know your constitutional rights don’t apply in the military, but this is pure political persecution, ordered and approved by the “moderate” joe biden.


45 posted on 09/28/2021 9:53:01 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Dethrone the ruling elite. Redistribute their wealth. Take away their power. Annul their privileges.)
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To: ifinnegan
Nothing done merits prison. It is gulag stuff.

Technically, it's jail, not prison. But what do you think should be done about an active-duty Lt. Col. who repeatedly violates direct orders not to engage in political activity in uniform, and not to undermine his superiors publicly?

The only reason he is in jail is because he is literally refusing to obey orders. Publicly.

He's made it easy on them.

46 posted on 09/28/2021 10:00:18 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: rktman

Ok the USA collects political prisoners. Secession anyone?


47 posted on 09/28/2021 10:02:14 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Didn't say it did, but if they hadn't indulged all the other officers pulling sh*t like this, it would have been less likely that people would do it subsequently...

I honestly can't recall any other Marine officers on active duty repeatedly and publicly disagreeing with their superiors, without consequence. Exactly who are you thinking of?

Same thing with the Stop the Steal rally. The Federal authorities allowed Antifa to burn buildings, assault people, and engage in riots, so this encouraged the belief that this behavior will be tolerated from others.

Completely agree there. That's why I tell lefties that though I thought January 6 was dumb, it doesn't really bother me. They tossed out the rulebook long before then.

48 posted on 09/28/2021 10:02:58 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Kick him out?

Again, this is totalitarian stuff to jail him.


49 posted on 09/28/2021 10:03:36 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Jan_Sobieski; Bruce Campbells Chin

The only thing on Bruce’s Chin is the insemination residue of the Deep State™.


50 posted on 09/28/2021 10:05:08 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Yeah, as a former Marine officer myself (and also a USNA grad), he didn’t give his chain of command much choice. If you want to speak out has he has, publicly and repeatedly, then you resign first.


His entire chain of command belongs in the brig along with Vindman and his.


51 posted on 09/28/2021 10:06:57 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: redgolum

Yup. The gag order was lawful and he apparently broke it while wearing his uniform. I agree completely with his stance on the miserable failures of military leadership and I hope he does well after his discharge, but ya gotta be ready to face the consequences of violation of an order.

Colonel, USAF TJAGCR (ret)


52 posted on 09/28/2021 10:09:24 AM PDT by jagusafr ( )
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To: redgolum

The maxim is that you disobey an order at your peril. You can try to prove at your court martial that the order was unlawful, but it’s an affirmative defense and the burden is on the “accursed” to prove it.

Colonel, USAF TJAGCR (ret)


53 posted on 09/28/2021 10:12:19 AM PDT by jagusafr ( )
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To: ifinnegan
Kick him out?

You can't do that instantly. He's in the process of getting out, and just needed to shut his yapper until he was processed out. Once out, he would and could be as critical as he likes.

54 posted on 09/28/2021 10:25:02 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: jagusafr

Your no doubt honorable service is clouding your judgement. This fine Marine is receiving orders from an utterly corrupt institution. That he is targeted for speaking the truth while the likes of Vindman (who committed crimes against a sitting POTUS) are not shows that something is rotten in Denmark. You should be questioning the conduct of the institution and not the whistleblower Marine.


55 posted on 09/28/2021 10:30:46 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: redgolum
Look at the guys FB and Youtube. He had one last week where he was saying “I am probably going to prison now!”

He knew the rules as well as the rest of us do, and why they are necessary.

56 posted on 09/28/2021 10:32:03 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

He knew the rules as well as the rest of us do, and why they are necessary.


The rules? You mean like “the interagency sets foreign policy” rule from when Trump was POTUS?

Buy a clue. The only rule that matters is what team you play for: Team China or Team USA. This good Marine is playing for Team USA and Team China will not stand for that.


57 posted on 09/28/2021 10:39:44 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

We are quickly approaching the time where the military will not be much different from the civilian world. The sense of honor and duty are becoming foreign concepts to many people. The kind of people that we want in our military are getting out just soon as they can. I am a member of a legacy family. My son will probably be the last to serve. We are in deep trouble.


58 posted on 09/28/2021 10:44:01 AM PDT by Himyar (Comes A Stillness/ God Bless Robert E. Lee)
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Prison vs Jail

59 posted on 09/28/2021 10:44:13 AM PDT by Mr.Unique (My boss wants me to sign up for a 401K. No way I'm running that far! )
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To: TheTimeOfMan
The three Marines that arrested him should be canned and the entire chain of command involved shot.

Lt. Col. Scheller knew the consequences of what he did. I doubt he'd want Marines killed over it.

60 posted on 09/28/2021 10:46:31 AM PDT by Mr.Unique (My boss wants me to sign up for a 401K. No way I'm running that far! )
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