Vaccine effectiveness limited, says CDC: "[T]he ratio of hospitalizations to cases was moderately lower among fully vaccinated compared with unvaccinated"

American Thinker ^ | 09/21/2021 | Andy Zhao

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Just a week ago, a CDC study prompted MSM headlines such as  "New study finds unvaccinated are 11 times more likely to die from Covid, CDC says."  Last Friday, the CDC published the latest MMWR report, which stated, "Real-world studies of population-level vaccine effectiveness against laboratory-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection and COVID-19 hospitalizations are limited in the United States."  Later in the same report it revealed some details: "[t]he ratio of hospitalizations to cases was moderately lower among fully vaccinated (13.3 hospitalizations per 100 cases) compared with unvaccinated (17.1 hospitalizations per 100 cases) groups" under the delta variant dominant environment.  Yes, that's 13.3 vs. 17.1, a mere 22% less in hospitalization over the unvaccinated, not >10X. 

What is going on?

The previous report was propaganda for the vaccination campaign by the Biden administration.  That report used non-representative "data assessed from 13 jurisdictions accounted for 25% of the U.S. population."  The report cautioned that its conclusion "might not be generalizable," but it still suggests that "[t]he data might be helpful in communicating the real-time impact of vaccines (e.g., persons not fully vaccinated having >10 times higher COVID-19 mortality risk) and guiding prevention strategies such as vaccination and nonpharmacologic interventions.  What was the message the CDC wanted to "communicate"?  It's this:

Figure 1.

So convincing and exciting!  That must be the good reason for everybody to get the wonder vaccines!  If you are still hesitating, President Biden shames you and issues mandates to force you take the jab!  The MSM started the narrative about "the pandemic of the unvaccinated" in coordination with the Biden administration.

Now the CDC suddenly makes a 180-degree turn and publishes a study to show that the vaccines are not so effective.  Could it be just the truth or something else?

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RE: Brother/Sister, you’re about to unleash the FR Hounds of Hell and Vaccines with that statement. I wish you luck.

Well, Israel’s experience will back me up.

But my purpose is not to win an argument but to get at the truth, if my statement is inaccurate or misleading, I am glad to be corrected. But I reserve the right to ask pertinent questions.

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RE: It should be realized that the vaccines won’t work well in around 6% of the 65+ folks because their immune systems are weak.

Isn’t this statement also true for the 65+ folks who are UNVACINATED?

[Antoninus]

Sounds to me like the truth dam is starting to crack. Is it possible that there are still a few honest people in government? Enough to make a difference? Hard to believe.

[Brian Griffin]

“doesn’t prevent infection”

Someone here posted:

“The jabs go in the arm, not as some 6 foot radius Bubble that people live in. So yes it’s obvious that it won’t do anything until the virus is actually in someone.”

[Zathras]

Its not you.
They need lockdown to justify vote by mail.

[frank ballenger]

Yes.

And it was said early in the campaign about Trump by someone “Trump is a truthteller. People hate truthtellers and try to silence them. This has been true all through history.”

[1Old Pro]

They need lockdown to justify vote by mail.

Bingo

[butlerweave]

Face it the CDC never tells the truth , they’re just for propaganda now

[Brian Griffin]

“Isn’t this statement also true for the 65+ folks who are UNVACINATED?”

Yes, but in addition, the remaining 94% of the unvaccinated 65+ will lack any level Covid vaccine protection.

[Bob434]

[[Now shouldn’t they be stopped for being fraudulent and stating false promises?]]

They only stop companies like cigarette makers from making false claims, and suing them for having lied to people to,hide the facts, but apparently pur government isn’t bound by their own rules, so they get to lie with impunity

[Newtoidaho]

That I might die if I take the poison jab is a risk the left is more than willing to take.

[the OlLine Rebel]

The real issue is the success the commie wannabes have had. They act like and people believe (mostly statist Dems) that this disease is highly deadly.

False premise, as usual for Dems.

Recent surveys revealed Dems really think this is very dangerous. If it was as dangerous as they think, I’d take the shots!

[qaz123]

But there’s the rub. For you and your family, thankfully, you didn’t have a bad time with it. I had it in January 2020, before it had a name, after they finally admitted that it reached the US in the fall of 2019.

It kills some. It kicks the sh*t out of others. And for someone like my nephew, he took a few multi vitamins and was back at work in 3 days.

A buddy of mine went to a briefing at a local hospital, some time last spring when things were getting weird, and talked the doc that ran the place. Doc told him they’ve been dealing with it since last November/December, just didn’t definitely didn’t know what they were dealing with.

There are so many things wrong with all of this. The PCR tests don’t do what they told us they do. There was less than 2000 cases of the flu reported last year because everyone had covid.

Elon Musk reporting that he took 4 tests in one day, 2 positive 2 negative. WTF is that all about? Erika Badu tests positive in one nostril and negative in the other. Sh*t is insane and no one wants to tell the truth.

Two things I would love to see....

1. An HONEST interpretation of the data with regards to who died. None of this, Mike was on his motorcycle at a stop light, was crushed by a tractor trailer, he had covid, he’s a covid death. Negative Ghost Rider.

Last year, the CDC reported that of all the deaths that were being listed, only 6% were actually from covid. So, I’d like to see the lists scrutinized and scrubbed of bogus/manipulated information and I’d like to see how the real deaths attributed to covid compare to when they get the flu vaccine wrong, in any given year, and how many die during that flu season. Guys like Fauci meet every year to discuss the coming flu season. There aren’t many of them. They try to predict what strain will be the most prevalent and then tailor the flu shot to that. Basically, as a friend of mine who is an epidemiologist advised, they take a WILD ASS GUESS. Some times they get it right and the flu season is mild. Some times they get it wrong and the flu season is a disaster.

2. Can any of the news agencies, or anyone else, go to places like India and Africa, where Ivermectin, HCQ, and other cheap drugs can be purchased over the counter and determine why those places are effectively dealing with covid with drugs that cost less than $3.

Why does a woman’s family have to sue a hospital, TWICE, to try a treatment on her, as she lay in a coma waiting to die. And days after getting the $3 treatment is perfectly ok and leaves the hospital?

Why are there doctors all around the country, who have been using these $3 drugs to effectively treat their patients and they’re discounted as witch doctors?

It’s absolutely insane, the level of manipulation, lies, greed and agenda driving going on in this country and no one but us peasants seems to care. And then toss in the folks, mostly the insane liberals and quite a few on here, that are rabid in their support of getting the shot and all of us that haven’t are the devil.

[Brian Griffin]

Vaccine history has said:

“Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.”

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/hcp/effectiveness-duration-protection.html

One childhood vaccine[DTaP] is scheduled to be given five times.

Three childhood vaccines are scheduled to be given four times.

~10% immunization failure rate for two-dose polio vaccine
~6% immunization failure rate for two-dose Covid vaccine

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RE: Yes, but in addition, the remaining 94% of the unvaccinated 65+ will lack any level Covid vaccine protection.

But if these vaccines really show “protection”, why do we still see the 6% figure among the VACCINATED?

[frank ballenger]

Sadly, just another statistic to Fauci and the CDC.

[JoSixChip]

If you want to die of COVID, run to a hospital the minute you get it.

Truer words are seldomly spoken on FR. From my experience, I recommend at least the Z-Pac as soon as you have symptoms. This thing is going to run it's course if you get, treat the symptoms, kick your immune system in high gear (Z-Pac) and you will 99.3% get through it. If you are already on deaths doorstep before you get it, it or something else is going to push you over the edge eventually. Look, the one thing we all have in common is that we all die. The chance of covid being the sole reason you die is like 1 in 10000. You are more likely to die in an accident then covid only.

[oldtech]

The story I got was that VAERS was about 100% understated.

[LostInBayport]

The Boston Glob lists daily covid numbers. These are the latest.

Hospitalized patients: 641

Hospitalized patients who are fully vaccinated: 215

One third of hospitalizations are "fully vaccinated" patients, yet the media makes it seem like only the unvaxxed get admitted

[Jeff Chandler]

But there’s the rub.

For a brief moment I thought I was on one my BBQ forums.