How Dan Quayle Helped Convince Mike Pence Not to Overturn Election, According to New Book: 'Forget It'

Yahoo ^ | 9/26/2021 | Virginia Chamlee

[Right Wing Vegan]

While Mike Pence was lauded by Democrats — and widely criticized by the president and the Republican base — for his refusal to overturn the results of the election won by Joe Biden in 2020, it turns out that a different vice president may have been responsible for the decision.

In the upcoming book Peril, Robert Costa and Bob Woodward write that then-Vice President Pence reached out to 74-year-old Dan Quayle — who served as vice president from 1989 to 1993 under President George H. W. Bush — in the waning days of the Trump presidency.

"Over and over, Pence asked if there was anything he could do," Costa and Woodward write, suggesting that Pence was looking for a way to acquiesce to Donald Trump's demands that he reject the electoral votes legally-cast in Biden's favor.

According to the book, Quayle quickly put the kibosh on any effort to overturn the election, telling Pence: "Mike, you have no flexibility on this. None. Zero. Forget it. Put it away."

When Pence "pressed again," the authors write, he did so by explaining that he was under pressure from Trump. (A spokesman for Pence did not respond to a request for comment on Peril.)

"You don't know the position I'm in," he told Quayle, according to the authors, to which Quayle responded: "I do know the position you're in. I also know what the law is. You listen to the parliamentarian [who issues rulings about congressional authority]. That's all you do. You have no power.'"

[DoodleDawg]

Must I?

No. Keep your head stuck in the sand if that's your preference.

[DoodleDawg]

Ah, here you are on this thread being wrong about something else.

Your saying I'm wrong only gives me more confidence in the accuracy of what I'm saying.

[DiogenesLamp]

Actually, no states submitted more than one slate. There were a some rump legislators in a few states who sent in names of alternate electors but they weren't sanctioned by the states and had no more no more bearing than an alternate slate of electors from TX sent in by some Dem senators would have had.

Another freeper mentioned to me that he regarded you as an agent provocateur and false flag operative. I just thought you were misguided, but it is posts like this one that make me wonder.

[DiogenesLamp]

What gives the vice-president the authority to decide whether the state's election certificate is illegitimate?

I guess you missed that "President of the Senate" *REQUIREMENT*.

His office gives him that authority, and so does the US Constitution in specifying his office must do the deed.

[DoodleDawg]

I guess you missed that "President of the Senate" *REQUIREMENT*.

So are you saying that if Pence didn't show up then nothing could be done? That would mean the 1972 session was completely invalid, right?

His office gives him that authority, and so does the US Constitution in specifying his office must do the deed.

Where?

[DoodleDawg]

Another freeper mentioned to me that he regarded you as an agent provocateur and false flag operative. I just thought you were misguided, but it is posts like this one that make me wonder.

Where is he wrong?

[StAnDeliver]

Who was properly responsible for the clarion call to investigate the 2020 election fraud? President Donald J. Trump:

• The authority, and the responsibility for rejecting elector slates, and demanding state legislatures send new elector slates consistent with investigations into electoral fraud, resided solely with President Trump.

• There is no Constitutional mechanism to permit the Vice-President to make such a claim. That power -- if it indeed exists -- lies solely with the Office of the President. Any such attempt by the VP would be duly and properly ignored.

• As President Lincoln once promised, leaning into Congressman James Alley, "I am the President of the United States, clothed with immense power, and I expect you to procure those votes." What Lincoln didn't say, was: "Vice-President Johnson is clothed with immense power, and I expect him to procure those votes."

• In April 2020, President Trump threatened to dismiss Congress over blocking him from recess appointments. President Trump believed he had that power -- the exact same power he would have used to remand the presented elector's slates back to each state's legislature -- and Trump believed that power was invested in him alone. President Trump didn't call VP Pence and say, "Hey Mike, you tell them you're shutting down Congress because I can't get my recess appointments."

  "He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States." - The Constitution of the United States, Article II, Section 3

[DiogenesLamp]

Or if Gore had tossed out the Florida vote in 2001?

He would have rightfully caught hell for that abuse of power.

Bush clearly won Florida, and when all the recounts were done for the last time, Bush still won Florida.

[DiogenesLamp]

There were claims of fraud but no proof of fraud.

Massive proof of fraud. Ridiculously high levels of proof of fraud.

The vice-president is not a judge.

As President of the Senate, he D@mn sure is.

It is not his place to rule whether a crime had been committed.

It cannot be determined to be a "crime" until adjudication, but you do not have to wait till after a trial has been held to recognize that something is very wrong from a procedural standpoint.

Whether or not that thing which is clearly wrong is adjudicated to be a "crime" is beyond the scope of the President of the Senate to decide, and it is irrelevant to his ability to decide not to allow a broken process to go forward.

[DoodleDawg]

He would have rightfully caught hell for that abuse of power.

What abuse of power? He thought the vote was invalid so he refused to count it. According to you he has that power.

Bush clearly won Florida, and when all the recounts were done for the last time, Bush still won Florida.

Only if you discount those votes which the Democrats thought should have been counted. In your world Gore could have decided that the Florida vote was invalid and sent it back. In your world.

[StAnDeliver]

Where were the alternate slates of Electors with the imprimatur of both that state's legislature and signed off by that state's Governor?

• Even if Pence had had that, the House and the Senate must both vote in the majority to throw out the original Electors of any challenged state's slate.

• The fact that 1 Congressman and 1 Senator, can object to every electoral slate (50 states + DC) is Constitutionally not enough to actually disqualify that state's slate. The Vice President must have both the House & Senate majority votes. There is nothing in 3 USC that allows the incumbent VP to act extra-constitutionally.

• FRacebook rage, while risible, fails (as usual) to comprehend the complete absence of any enabling Constitutional language that would have permitted Pence to act in a completely unconstitutional manner, of Yet Another FRacebook Wish Sandwich.

• What you FRacebookers really wanted Pence to do was perform errant libtard constructionalism a la RBG/WisePuta/Elanaesbian, in treating the Constitution like a "Living Document" DOORMAT.

• As if this needs to be added, and yet it does, so far have we fallen:

  "Free Republic advocates a return to constitutionally limited government, reserving all government powers not expressly delegated by the constitution to the United States to the States respectively, or the people, emphasizing sovereign state governments, local government, self-government and self-rule, while restricting government powers to only those enumerated in the Constitution."

• Had the FRacebook cadre and their demented, blatantly unconsitutional concoction been followed in 2016, the Democrats' objections to every single state electoral slate would have successfully pre-empted President Trump's legitimate victory.

• On Jan. 6, 2017, the Democrats planned -- to the minute -- a challenge of every single slate of electors, and they executed their plan to the letter, with longtime Leftard Rep. Jim McGovern (D-Mass.) who objected right out of the gate to Alabama's slate of electors, citing "direct Russian election interference via hacking the election software of VR Systems" (that scenario sound familiar?).

• McGovern's challenge was immediately followed by challenges from fellow travelers Raskin, then Jayapal, then Sheboon Lee, then Grijalva.

• This would have been the result, the very result our Founding Fathers fought and died to prevent when they crafted the Constitution:

"Mr. McGovern has objected to the Alabama slate due to the "confirmed and illegal activities engaged by the government of Russia". Mr. Raskin has objected to Florida’s slate, due to that state's prohibition against dual office holders. Ms. Jayapal has objected to the Georgia slate's electoral certification. Ms. Lee has objected to the Michigan slate again due to Russian interference. Mr. Grijalva has objected to the North Carolina slate due to violations of the Voting Rights Act. I find all of these objections in due order and I hereby as Vice-President suspend each of these state's elector slates until further investigation by the DOJ and the FBI, and I further order each state involved, to prepare, certify, and send an alternate slate of electors. Trump's Inauguration can wait forever, as far as I'm concerned. We are adjourned." - Vice-President Joseph Biden, January 6, 2017

• After then-VP Biden -- in identical fashion to what FRacebookers wanted from VP Pence -- had ruled every challenged 2016 electoral slate "out of order", Hillary would have been installed shortly after SCOTUS surrendered under the weight of 51 challenge cases, only requiring SCOTUS to respond positively to Vice-President Biden's challenges to the 3 critical, close swing-state cases [PA, MI, WI] that would have immediately floated to the top of the unconstitutionally slate-challenged Electoral College bowl.

[DiogenesLamp]

Fake. Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin all had massive election "irregularities" that are clearly fraud to any non biased observer.

The states in dispute should have been required to have an audit to guarantee election integrity. An election in which fraud is rampant and tolerated, is *NOT* an election.

Constitutional law does not substantiate elections outside of the valid process. Those states were in dispute, and they should have remained in dispute until the demonstrable fraud was rectified, or the alternative process was implemented.

[DiogenesLamp]

Use of the word “overturn” is a deliberate lie. You should stop using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means.

[semimojo]

...it is posts like this one that make me wonder.

Which states officially sent more than one slate of electors?

Or is this just another case where reality doesn't comport with your preferences so you deny it?

[DoodleDawg]

As President of the Senate, he D@mn sure is.

And as I have pointed out to you at other times on other subjects, as hard as it is to win arguments with intelligent people it's virtually impossible to win one with stupid people. So I'll leave you and your idiotic conclusions to yourself.

[DiogenesLamp]

Your saying I'm wrong only gives me more confidence in the accuracy of what I'm saying.

Irrational people tend to do that.

[MayflowerMadam]

Just wow! Are we fortunate or what that you have chosen to bless us with your wonderfulness. We are not worthy.

[DiogenesLamp]

So are you saying that if Pence didn't show up then nothing could be done?

How much experience have you had with parliamentary procedure?

There would have been a "President of the Senate" pro Tempore.

But Pence did show up and then he acted like a stupid little bitch.

Where?

This is where you pretend not to notice that it says "President of the Senate" and the powers are inherent in that office.

[DiogenesLamp]

Where is he wrong?

You should worry about where you are wrong, and leave him to be wrong under his own power without assistance from you.

[bigdaddy45]

Is reading comprehension not your forte? Where did i say anything about cheating? What would have been your reaction if this scenario had played out in 2012 with no cheating?