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AFGHANISTAN AFTER AMERICA
Sultan Knish ^ | September 5, 2021 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 09/05/2021 5:55:01 AM PDT by gattaca

On September 27, 1996, the State Department was very surprised when the Taliban took Kabul.

All of the official reports stated that the Taliban were not likely to take the capital. A lone memo, which never reached Bill Clinton's Secretary of State, warned it could happen, but was mostly ignored until nine days later when the Taliban “unexpectedly” marched into the city.

Pin on Pinterest Biden and his allies claimed that no one could have anticipated that the Taliban would take Afghanistan in 11 days. As the Washington Post recently noted, “On Sept. 27, 1996, Taliban forces captured Kabul overnight, flooding in from all directions after a 15-day sweep of the country. (In August 2021, it would take 10 days.)“ Were Biden and Milley really that surprised by those extra 4 or 5 days (depending on how you do the math) that they didn’t see it coming?

In 1996, the United Nations, which was supposed to bring peace to Afghanistan, fled. President Najibullah, who had lost the last of his Soviet support when the USSR fell apart, stayed at the UN compound. He fought the Taliban Jihadists who came for him before they hung and castrated him. The State Department celebrated the Taliban win and began its outreach.

Glyn Davies, Obama's former Ambassador to Thailand, said back then that he hoped the "new authorities in Kabul will move quickly to restore order and security and to form a representative interim government that can begin the process of reconciliation nationwide."

Davies also claimed that he saw "nothing objectionable" about the Taliban imposing Islamic law.

(Davies, a Biden supporter and formerly an Elizabeth Warren supporter because "Warren will rebuild American leadership by ending our endless wars", works for former Secretary of State Madeline Albright's ASG consulting group and has not offered any comments on Afghanistan.)

The Clinton administration asked the Taliban to send an envoy to D.C. and pleaded with the Jihadists to accept an American envoy. It was the Taliban who turned Bill Clinton down.

In 2021, history repeated itself again with an incompetent Democrat administration caught by surprise at the speed of the Taliban’s victory before trying to come to terms with the Jihadists.

Like Bill Clinton, Biden is learning the same old lesson the hard way without actually learning it.

The State Department, which sent an emissary to urge the collapsing Afghan government to come to terms with the Taliban and form an inclusive government in the 90s, was playing the same dumb game now. A generation later the State Department hadn’t learned a damn thing.

The Taliban won in 2021 for the same reason that they had won in 1996. The Afghan government had lost its main backer and was replaced by the Pakistani-backed Taliban.

The Taliban takeover of Afghanistan was set once Pakistan made them its final choice.

If the Taliban performed better in 2021 than in 1996, it’s because China is also backing them.

The American-Pakistani alliance of 1996 has been replaced by a Chinese-Pakistani alliance.

Afghanistan is a tribal region of quarreling ethnic and religious groups, warlords, druglords, elders, and gunmen. For the last two generations it’s been ruled by whichever faction assembles enough backing from a foreign power to maintain control over the country.

Temporarily.

Foreign policy consists of the different sides jockeying for the support of the United States, Russia, China, India, Pakistan, and anyone interested enough to provide money and guns.

The Taliban have not “taken” Afghanistan. They’ve reached agreements with various factions, from the druglords to tribal leaders and warlords, based on their foreign support and momentum. Those agreements will collapse when the Taliban start to run into trouble.

Their victories in 1996 and 2021 were partly achieved by foreign Jihadis fighting for them.

But those Jihadis are a double-edged sword. The Taliban’s deal with Al Qaeda helped it maintain power, but after September 11, led to their overthrow by the United States.

The Taliban of 2021 will have to decide whether they need the foreign fighters more than they fear the United States. Considering Biden’s humiliating retreat, the Taliban are unlikely to make a different choice than the one they made about Al Qaeda during the Clinton administration.

The Afghan government that we backed was a phantom. So is the Taliban regime.

Americans think of government as an organized and pervasive force that extends its dominion over all its territories. Afghan governments are more like bandits, using fighters to intimidate the locals, and collect protection money through their officials. An Afghan government is just a band of fighters that have transitioned from roving bandits to stationary bandits by seizing cities.

Under Biden, the Taliban controlled the rural areas, while the Afghan government held the cities. As the withdrawal was announced, the Taliban formed alliances, swept across provinces, and claimed the cities not, mostly by firepower, but by cutting deals with key Afghan leaders.

The Taliban’s various allies, from the Pakistanis, Qataris, the Iranians, and the Chinese, to Al Qaeda and the druglords, got what they wanted by forcing the United States out of Afghanistan.

But what they’re going to want now are incompatible things. China and Pakistan want stability and the opportunity to exploit Afghanistan’s mineral riches and geographic location for trade. Al Qaeda and various foreign Jihadis want to set up terrorist training camps and fight infidels. Some of them are likely to target China as Jihadis operating in Pakistan have already done.

The Taliban’s state sponsors want to reduce the flow of drugs, but opium is the only functional part of Afghanistan’s economy: especially now that the United States and its allies are gone. The Taliban formerly opposed opium, but if they do it again, they’ll fund their own opposition. If they try to restrain the foreign Jihadis who helped them take Afghanistan, they’ll face a civil war.

Even if Biden refrains from backing the opposition to the Taliban, India isn’t likely to be as forgiving. Other countries and international players will find their own reasons to do the same.

Biden’s State Department will be forced to acknowledge, even faster than Clinton’s diplomats, that any promises that the Taliban make are worthless. Taliban spokesmen have learned to tell liberals what they want to hear, but don’t actually speak for the leadership. Nor do they speak for the various factions who actually make up the Taliban power on the ground. Or their backers.

Stability is not in Afghanistan’s future.

The Taliban, like most Jihadis, are players in someone else’s chess game. Islamic terrorist groups, like their Marxist counterparts, have state backers and wealthy funders behind them.

What looks like a stunning victory is more often the result of backroom deals.

Muslim Jihadis claim a fearsome reputation, but routinely bow out of fights when the odds aren’t on their side, when they aren’t feeling motivated, or are paid off. They prefer to win battles by treachery and subterfuge as they have done for over a thousand years since Mohammed.

Americans are used to the idea of standing, fighting, and dying for their country. But fighters in tribal cultures are more nomadic. They don’t stand and fight, they appear and disappear, as we saw in Afghanistan and Iraq. They strike when they sense weakness and flee when they feel strength. Biden showed weakness, so did the Afghan government, and the rest is history.

The Taliban will impose unfiltered Islamic law, but whether girls are allowed to go to school and women are permitted to leave the house matters very little to the power players. Those important enough will be able to do what the elites of Muslim countries always do, send their sons and daughters to cavort in Beverly Hills and the French Riviera, while poorer girls are beaten, enslaved, and executed for minor offenses like meeting the eye of a strange man.

There will be burkas for millions of Afghan women, but the daughters of key leaders who cut deals with the Taliban will wear bikinis on the beaches of the Atlantic and the Pacific.

The Biden administration cares as much about the rights of women as the Clinton administration which was willing to embrace the Taliban and endorse their oppressive Islamic law. It was only when the Taliban turned down the Clintons that they rediscovered an interest in feminism.

Count on the Biden administration and Democrats to follow the same corrupt road out of Kabul.

Afghanistan will go on being what it was all along, a tribal wasteland run by bandits, all of whom swear by Allah, but only some of whom kill women for not wearing burkas, who get their money and guns from various foreign interests and serve them until they inevitably betray them.

The Taliban didn’t win a great victory. They assembled a house of cards coalition just as they did before. That house of cards will begin collapsing because Afghanistan is not a country and it cannot be ruled by any government, only corrupted, robbed, and terrorized in Allah’s name.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; biden; bidensfault; kabul; taliban
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1 posted on 09/05/2021 5:55:01 AM PDT by gattaca
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To: gattaca

Exactly as this article states.....”Afghan governments are more like bandits, using fighters to intimidate the locals, and collect protection money through their officials. An Afghan government is just a band of fighters that have transitioned from roving bandits to stationary bandits by seizing cities.”.....


2 posted on 09/05/2021 6:09:01 AM PDT by caww ( )
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To: gattaca

BTW...this is a very good article on hopeless Afghanistan and how it’s always ran.


3 posted on 09/05/2021 6:15:30 AM PDT by caww ( )
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To: gattaca
A huge problem was that most Afghanis didn't want a nation that worships Trannies, Sodomy and Feminazis running their country through corrupt puppets. It was a total repudiation of our degenerate and declining nation under Plugs the Pedophile.


4 posted on 09/05/2021 6:20:31 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (DEFEAT THE COUP D'ETAT BY THE STALINAZI DERP STATE !)
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To: gattaca
Davies also claimed that he saw "nothing objectionable" about the Taliban imposing Islamic law

Is the imposition of Islamic law in Islamic countries run by Muslims an affair of the United States?

5 posted on 09/05/2021 6:22:52 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The nation cannot be saved until the GOP is destroyed)
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To: caww

I think the Afghanistan problem goes all the way back to the 18th century.

Those people are backward, violent and uneducated. (That’s IF you don’t regard rote reading and memorization of the Koran an ‘education’)


6 posted on 09/05/2021 6:24:15 AM PDT by SMARTY (Republics decline into democracies & democracies degenerate into despotisms. Aristotle)
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To: gattaca

Outstanding analysis. Describes Democrats perfectly.


7 posted on 09/05/2021 6:32:40 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: gattaca

The Chinese Communists, of course, will very generously step in and offer to “guide” the de facto Taliban government in setting up a viable economic system. Now, the sixth century mentality that prevails in that tormented land is no more likely to accept a foreign sort of state command-and-control than, say, the Apache Indians under Geronimo, perhaps the most wily guerrilla fighter the North American continent has ever known. For the Taliban have never advanced much beyond guerrilla warfare themselves, even after they came into possession of rifles, and they were already expert horsemen and desert tracking specialists.

Let the Chinese Communists try to take advantage of the situation, and attempt to extract mineral wealth or control resistance as it arises. They are in for BIG surprise.

It is not for nothing that Afghanistan is called “the graveyard of Empires”. Even Attila the Hun, one of the most ruthless tyrants the world has ever known, did not step into that hornets’ nest. Attila’s empire stopped at the northern border of that tormented land.


8 posted on 09/05/2021 6:36:03 AM PDT by alloysteel ( Poor people give rich people all their money anyway. Just as they have always done.)
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To: SMARTY

The rural areas are and will always be tribal infested with constant conflicts with their neighboring war lords.....that’s not going to change because their neighbor nations need Afghanistan in a state of conflict....obvious they want a place to ‘raise’ their Jihadi’s.....


9 posted on 09/05/2021 6:38:19 AM PDT by caww ( )
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To: gattaca

I’m more concerned with America after Biden.


10 posted on 09/05/2021 6:43:57 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: gattaca

Foggy Bottom could be surprised by tomorow’s sunrise


11 posted on 09/05/2021 6:44:59 AM PDT by Don Corleone (leave the gun, take the canolis)
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To: gattaca

same as it ever was


12 posted on 09/05/2021 6:51:24 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Claiming Racism, the antidote to personal responsibility)
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To: Jim Noble

The answer is No.


13 posted on 09/05/2021 6:54:30 AM PDT by caww ( )
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To: gattaca

What always happens when woke incompetent socialists are given the wheel.


14 posted on 09/05/2021 6:54:55 AM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Save the future, get your kids out of public schools)
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To: gattaca

AFGHANISTAN AFTER AMERICA will be America after the DS is done importing islamic terrorists into this country.


15 posted on 09/05/2021 7:05:19 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith…)
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To: gattaca
Americans are used to the idea of standing, fighting, and dying for their country. But fighters in tribal cultures are more nomadic. They don’t stand and fight, they appear and disappear, as we saw in Afghanistan and Iraq. They strike when they sense weakness and flee when they feel strength. Biden showed weakness, so did the Afghan government, and the rest is history. The Taliban will impose unfiltered Islamic law, but whether girls are allowed to go to school and women are permitted to leave the house matters very little to the power players. Those important enough will be able to do what the elites of Muslim countries always do, send their sons and daughters to cavort in Beverly Hills and the French Riviera, while poorer girls are beaten, enslaved, and executed for minor offenses like meeting the eye of a strange man. There will be burkas for millions of Afghan women, but the daughters of key leaders who cut deals with the Taliban will wear bikinis on the beaches of the Atlantic and the Pacific.

Greenfield understands ... too bad our stupid pentagon brass - don't.

16 posted on 09/05/2021 7:13:01 AM PDT by GOPJ (Why was 85 billion dollars worth of weapons in Afghanistan for 2,500 American troops??)
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To: SMARTY
Been reported by refugees who stay in contact with those in Kabul......

"the Taliban is arresting and imprisoning people from Panjshir on the streets of Kabul to use in hostage swaps."

17 posted on 09/05/2021 7:31:53 AM PDT by caww ( )
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To: gattaca

“ Davies also claimed that he saw “nothing objectionable” about the Taliban imposing Islamic law.”

Why would he? The US government helped them write a so called “constitution” that formalized that Afghanistan is an Islamic State and that all laws must conform to Islam.


18 posted on 09/05/2021 7:38:50 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up....)
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To: caww

Sadly, that sentence still works well if you remove the world “Afghan”.


19 posted on 09/05/2021 7:46:49 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up....)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Lesson to be learned...

“A masculine culture. will always defeat a wussified one.”

I have to add that to my list of sayings.


20 posted on 09/05/2021 7:57:50 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you care! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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