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1 posted on 07/30/2021 11:41:27 AM PDT by Tipllub
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To: Tipllub

Well just damn


2 posted on 07/30/2021 11:42:18 AM PDT by BRL
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Which vaccine? Pfizer? Moderna? J&J?


3 posted on 07/30/2021 11:43:35 AM PDT by kaktuskid
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Known for a while in overseas studies

CDC couldn’t keep the lid on it much longer so it was “leaked” to the media


4 posted on 07/30/2021 11:44:11 AM PDT by janetjanet998
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Wow, just makes me want to run out right now and get the JAB.


5 posted on 07/30/2021 11:45:17 AM PDT by rovenstinez
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Meanwhile at Lake of the Ozarks in MO

The mostly unvaxxed and unmasked are feeling fine

6 posted on 07/30/2021 11:45:46 AM PDT by Pollard
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Nuh-uh. My President said only the unfazed...er...unvaxxed were the only ones catching the COVID.


7 posted on 07/30/2021 11:45:49 AM PDT by moovova (Yo GOP....we won't forget.)
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Superspreaders.

Not me.


8 posted on 07/30/2021 11:46:09 AM PDT by NWFree (Somebody has to say it)
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Uh, uh, uh we meant unvaxxed. Yeah the unclean unvaxxed is what we meant. Really. 😕😷💉


9 posted on 07/30/2021 11:46:46 AM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? 😕)
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Sounds like the “vaccine” is aiding the spread of infection.


13 posted on 07/30/2021 11:49:55 AM PDT by SunTzuWu
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Karma for making fear their virtue, and shaming the “Inconsiderate
Un-vaxed” whom they considered themselves holier than?

Now THEY are the super-spreaders?

God must be writing this movie.


14 posted on 07/30/2021 11:51:16 AM PDT by EasySt (Say not this is the truth, but so it seems to me to be, as I see this thing I think I see #KAG.)
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Someone explain this to me (I’ve given up on the CDC).

With the CDC this week confessing the PCR test is basically useless, how do they know if someone has COVID, the variant or just influenza?

This is getting ridiculous.


15 posted on 07/30/2021 11:54:16 AM PDT by twoputt
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This is what happens to when our swollen central government funds dozens of different health agencies. They’re tripping over each other, spitting out different data, while lying.


16 posted on 07/30/2021 11:54:27 AM PDT by JonPreston (Q: Never have so many, been so wrong, so often)
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With 75% of infections occurring in vaccinated people, it would be useful to know what percentage of people in general at these events were vaccinated.

If say 75% are vaccinated, then we could reasonably say there is no net advantage or disadvantage to having the vaccine (at least in terms of risk from covid).

If say 80% or more are vaccinated, then we could reasonably say there is an advantage to being vaccinated - you are apparently somewhat less susceptible to infection. The infection rates are lower in the vaccinated.

If say 70% or less are vaccinated, then we could reasonably say there is a disadvantage to being vaccinated. That the infection rates are higher in the vaccinated.

I wonder if they'll ever admit the real numbers.

18 posted on 07/30/2021 11:55:18 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Biden/Harris - illegitimate and everyone knows it.)
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So, we have to get the vaccine to keep us from giving the virus to people who have been vaccinated. To the limited extent the Current Wisdom can be discerned, this seems to be it. Oh, and masks work because “science” or magic or something. None of it makes any sense because it’s all been built on lies. Hoax on top of hoax.


20 posted on 07/30/2021 11:57:19 AM PDT by cdcdawg (It's all so tiresome.)
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They do not bother to mention what percentage of the people attending were vaccinated. That information is necessary in order to evaluate the situation properly.

If 50% of the attendees, or less, were vaccinated, then that casts aspersions at the vaccines. It makes them look like a factor inducing people to get COVID.

If the percentage of people being infected matched the percentage of people vaccinated, then that makes the vaccines simply look ineffective.

If the vast majority of the attendees were vaccinated, then it just looks like a bunch of breakthrough cases.


23 posted on 07/30/2021 11:59:32 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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WOW!... and they are admitting this???


27 posted on 07/30/2021 12:02:55 PM PDT by Safrguns
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Initial lie: calling positive PCR test Covid-19 case.

Positive test does not indicate Covid disease, respiratory problems etc...

And, virtually everyone at these public events has been vaccinated in Massachusetts so it obvious that vaccinated people would be found positive because that’s who are being tested.

Tautological to the core.


29 posted on 07/30/2021 12:06:53 PM PDT by ifinnegan ( Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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Covid vaccines are effective except when they are not.


34 posted on 07/30/2021 12:13:35 PM PDT by Gnome1949
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This is Not a Vaccine.

The jab of mRNA (synthesized strand of genetic material) is a package in a nano lipid or fat envelope delivered to a cell. It’s a medical device designed to stimulate a cell into becoming a pathogen creator by creating the known to be harmful S-1 spike protein.

Vaccine is a defined term in law and under CDC and FDA standards. A vaccine has to stimulate an immunity in the person receiving it. And it must also disrupt transmission. That’s not what this is. Even the drug manufacturers admit the jab or its mRNA does not stop transmission.

The jab is a treatment, but if it’s discussed as a treatment it would not get the sympathetic ear of public health officials because people would ask what other treatments there are. And alternative treatments would hamper FDA’s ability to issue emergency approval of the jabs as a vaccine.

Defining the narrative with the term vaccine is a sucker punch to open and free discourse. “Vaccine” throws the discussion into one of pro/con vaccine. The jab is a mechanical device (a bio-weapon) in the form of a very small packet of technology inserted into the human system to activate the cell to become a pathogenetic spike protein manufacturing site.

No basis exists to stipulate this is a vaccine. Simply put, this is a chemical pathogen device meant to unleash chemical pathogen production within a cell. It’s a medical device, not a drug. The jab is not a living or biological system, but rather a physical technology that just happens to come in the size of a molecular package.

Stated Objective

As to why the vaccine hype, the most important quote of this SARS-CoV-2 pandemic is a quote made in 2015 by Peter Daszak, head of Eco-Health Alliance and long-time collaborator with Dr. Fauci and NIAID on gain of function research.

In 2015, Duszak said,

“We need to increase public understanding of the need for medical countermeasures such as a pan-coronavirus vaccine. A key driver is the media, and the economics will follow the hype. We need to use that hype to our advantage, to get to the real issues. Investors will respond if they see profit at the end of the process.”

See Forum on Medical and Public Health Preparedness for Catastrophic Events; Forum on Drug Discovery, Development, and Translation; Forum on Microbial Threats; Board on Health Sciences Policy; Board on Global Health; Institute of Medicine; National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. Rapid Medical Countermeasure Response to Infectious Diseases: Enabling Sustainable Capabilities Through Ongoing Public- and Private-Sector Partnerships: Workshop Summary. Washington (DC): National Academies Press (US); 2016 Feb 12. 6, Developing MCMs for Coronaviruses.

It’s not hard to figure that SARS-CoV-2 was not a public health crisis. This was an opportunistic marketing campaign to address a stated objective. And it’s the easiest thing to describe because they are the ones that said it. And the Occam’s Razor reality is they've said they needed to get the public to accept a pan-coronavirus vaccine countermeasure. And they needed the media to create the hype and investors would follow where they see profit.

When I see a person wearing a ski mask, waving a gun, and standing with a bag of money in front of a bank; I will make the assumption that that person might be a bank robber.

Similarly, if I have somebody who says we need to use the media to hype a medical countermeasure which is in fact the injection of a synthetic, recombinant chimeric protein developed off of a computer simulation, I’m actually going to listen to the motivation for why that might be being done; I will listen to the person doing the manipulation who says investors will follow where they see profit.

You do not have anything else you need to rely on to explain the events of the last 20 months than the actual statement of the actual perpetrators.

Masks

Through April 2020, the official recommendation by the Journal of the American Medical Association was was unambiguous:

“Face masks should not be worn by healthy individuals to protect themselves from acquiring respiratory infection because there is no evidence to suggest that face masks worn by healthy individuals are effective in preventing people from becoming ill.”

Part of that lack of evidence in fact showed that cloth facemasks actually increased influenza-linked illness.

In contravention to established science, States, municipalities and businesses have violated the legal requirements for the promulgation of medical counter measures during a public health emergency stating a “belief” that face masks limit the spread of SARS CoV-2. To date, not a single study has confirmed that a mask prevented the transmission of, or the infection by SARS CoV-2. Simply stated, a "belief" is not a medical countermeasure.

All parties mandating the use of facemasks are not only willfully ignoring established science but are engaging in what amounts to a whole population clinical trial. This conclusion is reached by the fact that facemask use and COVID-19 incidence are being reported in scientific opinion pieces promoted by the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and others.

Social Distancing

Social distancing of up to 6 feet has been promoted as a means of preventing person-to-person transmission of influenza-like viruses. While one study (Werner E. Bischoff, Katrina Swett, Iris Leng, Timothy R. Peters, Exposure to Influenza Virus Aerosols During Routine Patient Care, The Journal of Infectious Diseases, Volume 207, Issue 7, 1 April 2013, Pages 1037-1046,) hypothesized that infection could happen in a 6 foot range, the study explicitly states that person-to-person transfer was not tested and viability of the virus at 6 feet was not even a subject of the investigation.

That did not stop the misrepresentation of the study to be used as the basis for an unverified medical counter measure of social distancing. To date, no study has established the efficacy of social distancing to modify the transmission of SARS CoV-2. Public health officials have merely referenced this article.

In contravention to established science, States, municipalities and businesses have violated the legal requirements for the promulgation of medical counter measures during a public health emergency stating a “belief” that social distancing of a healthy population limits the spread of SARS CoV-2. To date, not a single study has confirmed that social distancing of any population prevented the transmission of, or the infection by SARS CoV-2.

FTC Act

It is unlawful under the FTC Act, 15 U.S.C. § 41 et seq., to advertise that a product or service can prevent, treat, or cure human disease unless you possess competent and reliable scientific evidence, including, when appropriate, well-controlled human clinical studies, substantiating that the claims are true at the time they are made. As a result, every party promoting the use of face masks is violating the FTC Act.

Further, under 21 CFR § 50.24 et seq., it is unlawful to conduct medical research (even in the case of emergency) without a series of steps taken to:

a. Establish the research with a duly authorized and independent institutional review board;

b. Secure informed consent of all participants including a statement of risks and benefits; and,

c. Engage in consultation with the community in which the study is to be conducted.

All of these laws have been broken. All relevant authorities in the United States must cease and desist the use of face masks until the matters above are rectified.

Establishment Clause

The Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment states:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

Forcing someone to "believe" that a thing might work not based on facts but based on a belief alone is tantamount to a religion and is prohibited without limitation. Not even the Supreme Court's seminal decision on vaccines, Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905), alters this fact.

Reason and an ordered society demand the current wall of bravo sierra regarding SARS-CoV-2 be challenged and torn down down brick by brick.

Novel Variant

According the CDC,

To tell which variant might might be present in a specimen, scientists must perform whole genome sequencing (WGS) on that specimen. At this time, WGS is available for surveillance purposes only, not for individual diagnostic purposes.

Whole genome sequencing (WGS) described by CDC does not establish the genome sequence of the "delta variant" is novel from COVID-19.

There is no evidence that the delta variant is somehow distinct from anything else on GISAID. The fact that we are now looking for a thing/variant doesn’t mean that it is a thing/variant because we are looking at fragments of a strand of genetic material and the fact is that we can choose any fragment in the genome sequence and call it a thing/variant.

For example, I could come up with "omega variant" tomorrow and I could say I’m looking for this sub-strand of either DNA or mRNA, or even a protein, and I could run around the world saying “fear the omega variant.”

The problem is because of the nature of the way in which we currently sequence genomes, which is actually a compositing process – it’s what we can call in mathematics an interleaving – we don’t have any point of reference to actually to know whether or not the thing we’re looking at is in fact distinct from either clinical or even genomic sense.

And so we’re trapped in a world where unfortunately if you go and look at the papers that isolated the delta variant and actually asked the question is the delta variant anything other than a selection of a sequence in a systematic shift of an already disclosed other sequence, the answer is it’s just an alteration and when you start and stop what you call the reading frame. There is no evidence of any novel anything.

35 posted on 07/30/2021 12:15:34 PM PDT by Ahithophel (Communication is an art form susceptible to sudden technical failure)
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“described the Delta variant as being as transmissible as chickenpox”

Chickenpox has never varied from an R naught of 10-12.

It’s the benchmark of infectiousness.

I think they might be lying.

IF they are not lying, and the vaccines don’t work, or don’t work well enough against it, the world will unwind.

Again.

Take a base number and multiply it by 10 every 5 days. Maybe assume, conservatively, that only 10,000 are currently infected with Delta.

It goes to 10 billion in 7 iterations of 5 days.

Assuming no intervention.

It time for governments to tell the people the truth.

Covid is here. It’s here to stay and now endemic to the human population. The vaccine efficacy against variants is questionable at best. And there’s nothing we can do but slow down the inevitable.

Everyone will get Covid. Some will die. Other will have no long term effects. Others will be long haulers.

And there’s nothing we can do about it.

Why won’t they just SAY it?


38 posted on 07/30/2021 12:30:01 PM PDT by Mariner (War criminal #18)
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