Posted on 07/19/2021 7:59:07 AM PDT by Rennes Templar
(CNN) - Arizona's Senate held a Thursday briefing on the ongoing Republican-initiated "audit" of the 2020 election in Maricopa County, where Joe Biden outperformed Donald Trump by enough of a margin to win the state.
The review is being conducted by Cyber Ninjas, a cybersecurity firm that has no experience in election auditing. And the company's chief executive officer, Doug Logan, made some Thursday claims that were immediately called into question by the county and independent experts.
Logan said that door-to-door questioning of Maricopa County voters is the "one way" the auditors could determine whether what they are seeing in the elections data are "real problems" or "clerical errors of some sort." "For example, we have 74,243 mail-in ballots where there is no clear record of them being sent," he said.
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Facts First: There is no evidence of either fraud or any significant error with these ballots, and certainly not "magically appearing ballots." Both Maricopa County and outside experts say there is a simple explanation for the gap Logan claimed had not been explained: the existence of in-person early voting. Contrary to Logan's claims, the ballot lists he was talking about include not only mail-in ballots but also ballots cast early in person.
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I have to disagree with your assessment, though you are correct because I did hear one person on the War Room mention the 74K discrepancy yesterday when they should have known. (If there was more than one reference, I missed it)
I certainly understand your skepticism. After what we have seen the last five years, even I, who is an optimist by nature, have become skeptical and even cynical.
How could any of us not?
However I do believe these audits are being pushed in a genuine way, if nothing else but an attempt to save the Golden Goose whose neck is is that Biden and the Left are trying to wring.
Of course, that is good advice.
It is why I watched the entire hour or two hearing on Sunday to see for myself what was going on instead of depending on turds like CNN and AP to give it to me.
And I agree-if the damned Maricopa County Officials had simply given a straight honest answer, it would not have been an issue at all.
Which makes me suspicious that it might have even been an elaborately laid trap. They are A-Holes and they are anti-American, but when it comes to underhandedness and subterfuge, they aren’t idiots, that is for sure.
They know how to dissemble and obfuscate with skill.
“Fact Check” is a label is used at the start of any article as a warning to the reader to put on their extra high wading boots.
“(These forms are called the CV32 and CV33...when CyberNinjas asked for clarification and were deliberately ignored, they assumed that the CV32 was the request for the county to send a mail-in ballot, and the CV33 was the recording of a ballot returned to be counted. In fact, they are not generated or used in that fashion, hence the disparity. The CV32 appears have to do with ballots requested more than 10 days before the election, and the CV33 is for requests from 10 days to election day.)”
Logical speculation is valuable in a fact-starved environment. Are these assertions based on hard-fact sources? (If so, please cite). It is odd that Bennett and other members of the audit team with substantial election experience would neither know how these processes work and what data categories would be required, nor be able to figure it out by testing different definition sets to find where the data DOES balance.
I agree that the 74,000 question has been magnified far beyond what CyberNinjas stated, and we can’t tally it up as a sure thing. Prematurely dumping partial audit results is a bad idea, and the auditors painstakingly eschewed the practice before this.
The Senate should subpoena expert testimony and/or written interrogatories and production of documents, both to the Board of Supervisors and particular individuals who ran the election as employees or consultants.
“ There was no need to give cnn a click because the poster summarized it well.”
Take a breath. There is no need to keep posting the same comment, because we all know what you said. Amirite?
As to your issue, how would we know if the poster summarized it well without checking the source? It defies logic. How would YOU know he summarized it well if YOU didn’t check the source?
Agreed.
I have made the assumptions that those EV32 and EV33 forms are used the way the Leftists say, simply from the reaction of the CyberNinjas Team.
The CyberNinjas didn’t contest the characterization of those forms by the Leftists who are stonewalling, but were more angry (as I am) about their refusal to answer simple questions on things that are probably not well known to non-election insiders.
We all can accept that the CyberNinja Team might have been swimming outside its lane since they ARE non-election insiders, but the truth is, they DID say it was a question that begs an answer, and an explanation would be helpful.
I am nonplussed as to why no conservative Arizona election insider stepped in and said “Hey, those forms aren’t used the way you think...this is what they are used for...” and the matter likely would have been dropped and the next thing moved on to.
This is just more grist for me to grind about Leftists being more interested in personal and political power, financial gain, and engaging in knife fights than they are in doing what is right for this country.
Doing what is right for this country would have been for them to answer simply “The EV32 form is used for this purpose, and the EV33 form is used for that purpose.
They wouldn’t have put themselves in peril.
They wouldn’t have lost any power or influence.
A simple answer would have done nothing but help everyone including them. It was no more of a threat to ANYTHING than asking the time of the day. But instead, they chose to just clam up like a little damned kid.
And normal people, when presented with intransigence, aggression, and stonewalling, assume the worst as many of us did.
Damn all Leftists to Hell.
Typical CNN BULL$HIT NEWS!
So has it been settled that is is an administrative issue, not fraud?
“...why no conservative Arizona election insider stepped in and said “Hey, those forms aren’t used the way you think...this is what they are used for...”
Possibly, no conservative Arizonans were allowed “inside” the 2020 election in Maricopa, which was run at the top end in secret by a DVS “consultant”. Categories and designations such as EV32 and EV33 might be unique to DVS, or to Maricopa Co, and/or to the Nov 2020 election, and therefore unknowable without special instructions.
You would think that Bennett and CyberNinjas could get election officials in Yavapai Co. to answer generic questions if the systems used there were the same as in Maricopa.
I don’t trust ANYTHING the leftists say. People who cheated to steal the election would be happy to mislead us on definitions and parameters for esoteric data. And why would they know? DVS tells leftist reporters but not the auditors?
The auditors said that they have roughly 74,000 EV33 ‘receipt forms’, that do not correspond to EV32 ‘sent forms’, and for that, they need an explanation in order to proceed.
“The review is being conducted by Cyber Ninjas, a cybersecurity firm that has no experience in election auditing.”
This from the same news service who supported a congressional investigation of a sitting president based on a phony dossier that was completely fabricated, and with no other corroborating evidence.
I’m pretty sure they’re saying there were 74K more ballots received than were mailed out.
They weren’t discussing raw numbers sent out at all, and specifically clarified that point. There were hundreds of thousands of ballots sent out which were not returned, but ballots actually returned should have both a send and a receive, and those 74k need an explanation, of which the county would not apprise them.
That’s a good point. If they don’t track those activities in a central point, then a person could vote at least three times with no record until *perhaps* later. They *have* to have a system to stop that.
Yes. I didn’t consider that.
Heh, talk about light dawning over Marblehead. Kind of obvious, forms called “DV32” for Dominion Voting form 32. Well. I get it now.
That explains a lot. Thank you.
I would not believe a single fact checker from CNN. They are lies all the time, 24x7.
You may want to check out this post from rlmorel.
Logic would then point to a requested list somewhere, correct? Isnt the state supposed to record them? This does not make sense. So therefore, produce a requested ballot list.
No kidding. I think be now most people know where CNN stands on things. (understatement)
Archer explained that the county stops updating the requested-ballots list, known as “EV32,” after the last day people can request a mail ballot, October 23. So ballots cast in person after October 23, Archer said, were included on the submitted-ballots list, known as “EV33,” but did not have a corresponding item on the “EV32” requested-ballots list.
Archer analyzed the files and found that there were 74,241 ballots on the submitted-ballots list without a corresponding entry on the requested-ballots list — nearly identical to the figure Logan cited, “74,243.” But Archer found that more than 99.9% of the ballots in question were recorded in the submitted-ballots list on October 26 or later.
Further, if the ballots were inserted into the system inappropriately, that “99.9% after Oct 26” figure could still well apply.
Any ballot tracking system should definitively show where ballots went, and where they came from, and not rely upon inference.
The CV32 appears have to do with ballots requested more than 10 days before the election, and the CV33 is for requests from 10 days to election day.)
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