Posted on 07/19/2021 7:59:07 AM PDT by Rennes Templar
(CNN) - Arizona's Senate held a Thursday briefing on the ongoing Republican-initiated "audit" of the 2020 election in Maricopa County, where Joe Biden outperformed Donald Trump by enough of a margin to win the state.
The review is being conducted by Cyber Ninjas, a cybersecurity firm that has no experience in election auditing. And the company's chief executive officer, Doug Logan, made some Thursday claims that were immediately called into question by the county and independent experts.
Logan said that door-to-door questioning of Maricopa County voters is the "one way" the auditors could determine whether what they are seeing in the elections data are "real problems" or "clerical errors of some sort." "For example, we have 74,243 mail-in ballots where there is no clear record of them being sent," he said.
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Facts First: There is no evidence of either fraud or any significant error with these ballots, and certainly not "magically appearing ballots." Both Maricopa County and outside experts say there is a simple explanation for the gap Logan claimed had not been explained: the existence of in-person early voting. Contrary to Logan's claims, the ballot lists he was talking about include not only mail-in ballots but also ballots cast early in person.
(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...
They're not putting out opinion, they're putting out what they WANT to happen.
The existence of this article says to me that it is their opinion that the Arizona audit is correct. Therefore, they need to set the narrative now that it is not.
-PJ
To vote “early”, with the ballot turned in at an official election location, requires that a ballot has been issued to a particular registered voter. Competent election officials would check to make sure the would-be voter is legally registered, and has not already requested a mail-in ballot. They would then record the fact of the in-person ballot request, and receipt thereof, if the voter completes it and turns it in. If this was not done, there would be a danger of double-voting if the “early in-person” voters later mailed in ballots. Likewise, individuals could show up and vote again on election day.
The auditors found 74,000 more ballots were turned in and counted than were “checked out” to a voter by elections officials, and shown in the official records. These people are not buck idiots who haven’t looked at overall figures and check-in data for every type of voting.
CNN and ABC are just blowing smoke for those desperate to believe. 74,000 is not a clerical error; it’s either massive fraud or a systemic failure by election officials. If Maricopa has the data to explain this away, let’s see it.
No - DATA first. Because the county has withheld so much data, the audit team cannot ascertain the facts. Assertion absent evidence is null and void - and SHOULD result in the asserter getting a swift kick in the nether regions.
The county can clear this up easily - provide the DATA that show the 74K ballots to be legitimate. "Trust Me" is an old phrase meaning a two word, seven letter phrase starting with F and ending with YOU.
CNN and facts should never be used in the same sentence.
“circular logic and innuendo”
Yep. Same as what’s going on with the Covid vaccine push.
No - DATA first. Because the county has withheld so much data, the audit team cannot ascertain the facts. Assertion absent evidence is null and void - and SHOULD result in the asserter getting a swift kick in the nether regions.
The county can clear this up easily - provide the DATA that show the 74K ballots to be legitimate. “Trust Me” is an old phrase ...
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Yep
XiJinBiden is a ‘clerical error.
There is nothing wrong with posting these articles.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. It's important to hear what these clowns are saying and who want's to actually have to give their website a click.
From the CNN story, it sounds as if the election official is explaining (in a rather condescending manner) that the Dem placeholder ballots should be counted as the real official ballots, and that there is nothing wrong with that.
We’re giving them clicks. We know what they’re saying.
There was no need to give cnn a click because the poster summarized it well.
NOTE: This is about this specific issue. All the other things CyberNinjas are doing is rock solid, IMO. This explanation is as much a severe criticism of the Maricopa County Election board for their deliberate stonewalling and recalictrance as it is of the error CyberNinjas may have made by bringing it up as they did which caused many of us (including myself) to misinterpret it.
We have to be careful about this "74,000 more ballots were returned than were mailed out" assertion from Arizona. CyberNinjas doing the forensic audit did not actually assert illegality, but merely said in their Arizona Senate Hearing that they see a discrepancy between a set of forms involved with mail-in ballots. (These forms are called the CV32 and CV33...when CyberNinjas asked for clarification and were deliberately ignored, they assumed that the CV32 was the request for the county to send a mail-in ballot, and the CV33 was the recording of a ballot returned to be counted. In fact, they are not generated or used in that fashion, hence the disparity. The CV32 appears have to do with ballots requested more than 10 days before the election, and the CV33 is for requests from 10 days to election day.)
CyberNinja CEO Doug Lauren said in the hearing:
"...We have 74,243 mail-in ballots where there is no clear record of them being sent,” Logan said at a meeting livestreamed at Arizona’s Capitol on Thursday. “That could be something where documentation wasn’t done right. There’s a clerical issue. There’s not proper things there, but I think when we’ve got 74,000, it merits knocking on a door and validating some of this information..."
CyberNinjas apparently did not understand the two forms in question, and asked the Maricopa County Elections Board how they were used, and were told to go pound sand. No explanation. So when CyberNinjas publicly asked for an explanation from the County of how exactly the forms were used (asked during the hearing) it was misinterpreted by many on our side (including me) that they were making an assertion, when they weren't, and it spread across many conservative sites including Free Republic, the War Room, and many others.
Here is the response on this "fact check" from CyberNinjas spokesman:
"...Rod Thomson, a public relations consultant working for Cyber Ninjas, said Maricopa County refused to answer questions posed by the audit team in private, forcing Logan to ask for explanations in public.
"Mr. Logan never said this was fraud or criminal, he merely stated the facts as they were provided to him and did not have an explanation,” Thomson said. “None of this would be necessary if the county would simply communicate with the audit team when there are questions..."
So, CyberNinjas did not contest it but provided context, and I can deal with that. (I watched the entire Arizona Senate hearing over the weekend, so I can vouch that he was not saying this was a fact, he was saying it is a question that needs answering, and hoped it would be forthcoming)
AP did a "fact check" article debunking the claim (again, CyberNinjas did not make the claim, they were making a public request in the hearing for an explanation) and Leftists on the board and allied with them were quick to make hay out of it, finally providing an explanation of this.
It very nearly sounds like a setup by the Maricopa Election Board, but the appearance of making the assertion as it does when appearing in dozens of conservative websites after the fact is an "unforced error" on our part, so we bear responsibility for taking it out of context, and they are definitely crowing over this proof of "misinformation".
For my part, I certainly bear responsibility as well, but...as I said to someone else on this, if I don't view AP fact check articles because they lie nearly every time I hear of one of their "fact checks", I can live with a one-off error like this one.
There are plenty of things to go after, that 74,000 disparity won't be one of them, though.
Note: I said all this in my post because CyberNinjas did not dispute the criticism of them by the Leftists giving the explanation.
I do keep in reserve that the people explaining the error are lying through their teeth in a boldfaced attempt to bluff their way through this. But if CyberNinjas knew their interpretation was correct, they would have stuck with that instead of saying they asked for, but did not get an explanation of the issue from Maricopa County.
Just to be clear where I stand.
We "deplorables" are the majority in this country. We need to start acting like the majority. Our deplorable president won by a landslide. Let's start acting like it.
I know this is difficult because there are so few people who do, but if you run into someone that consumes CNN or other lamestream media, then get in their faces and ridicule the hell of out them. I don't care if it is your wife, child or parents. They need to feel like they are in the minority and there is only one way for them to make their lives and relationship right with you. That is to take the time to learn what is really going on. By the way, that doesn't occur by watching Fox News. They were are every bit as bad as CNN. They are collaborators in the big steal. They called AZ on Nov. 3rd when they had no business in doing so.
The article (post) title reads: “Fact check: Arizona audit chief baselessly raises suspicion about 74,000 ballots”. That’s just propaganda, plain and simple. Remove the word “baselessly”, and it’s a good headline.
I agree we need to be careful about reading too much into the excerpted testimony. It always pays to read the full testimony in context. For myself, I heard the comments about the 74,000 vote discrepancy as it was intended - an open question as to why their ballots-out and ballots-in counts don’t align. The testimony was that they had some 74,000 more ballots received than documented as mailed - but that the discrepancy could be attributable to a variety of causes, including clerical errors, poor recordkeeping, or the Cyber Ninjas’ ignorance regarding the process and use of such ballots. Too much was made of the discrepancy, when the real message should have been the intransigence of the county officials when asked directly about the processes.
It has been asked many times - if there is nothing to hide, why is the county spending so much time and effort hiding requested information from the Senate’s auditors?
And in doing so it perfectly fulfilled the intent of the audit organizers.
This exercise isn't about finding fraud or errors. It's about motivating the base to send money, buy pillows, sign up for "chat rooms" so they can get on fund raising lists, and get out to vote in 2022.
That's why the process has been dragged out for so long, and why Bannon's now pushing the 50 State Audit grift. The manipulation only works when they can hype something like the "missing" 74K". Bannon & Rudy were doing it yesterday even though the explanation you provided was known to them over the weekend (if not earlier).
It's entertaining theater but I feel sorry for the people who give precious time or money to these grifters.
You sure its not “debunked”?
XiBS
ABXi
NBXi
You have achieved total enlightenment. So you got that going for you. ...which is nice.
I believe it was Satan who said -
“Everything that is true, has been debunked.”
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