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To: karpov; Jane Long; Grampa Dave; SomeCallMeTim; cpdiii; logi_cal869; Salamander; metmom
This is a situation where the data can support/justify both pro- and anti-shot arguments.

The decline in case and fatalities since January coincided with the rollout of the shots. However, it can also be shown that this virus follows the seasonal/bad in the winter pattern of influenza, so correlation doesn't mean causality.

The Moderna trial had about 5 out of 14,000 test subjects coming down with COVID19 fourteen days after the second shot, vs 90 in the placebo group. The effect was strongest with people over 65. But....this was only after two weeks of observation - most approved vaccines are tested for 2-3 years. That's (in part) why these shots were released under an EUA.

The platform for these shots is messenger RNA, not the traditional dead virus shot. This platform, while tested before, has never been released for public consumption. Thus, the entire nation (planet) is part of a beta test.

Finally, the case fatality rate for the virus is about 1.8%, meaning 98.2% of those who get it, don't die. Furthermore, you odds of survival grow exponential from older to younger folks. But, that CFR is 20%+ if you're 80 or older (or higher if you're in a retirement home in NY).

Yes, there is always the risk of a kid infecting an older person, but let's be honest about the math. In fact, the data collection has been uneven (e.g. no consistent definition of a "case" and about 94% of fatalities had multiple comorbidities) and, frankly, the CDC's decision to stop tracking breakthrough infections (but not fatalities) and odd VAERS recording - which may simply be government ineptitude (or not) - doesn't inspire confidence.

Any sober analysis of this situation would lead smart people to conclude that it comes down to personal choice. Some people see the data and got the shots immediately. Others saw the data and decided to avoid it at all costs. This bug isn't Ebola which kills everyone but it is more lethal as you get older. The messenger RNA platform may be perfectly fine, or it could do heretofore nasty things after a year or two.

I've read multiple stories of people getting the shots and have lived happily ever after. I've read about (and know of) dreadful stories where "happily ever after" doesn't come. Even more problematic are stories of outbreaks that never get reported.

All of this should lead to a public policy of encouragement and fully-informed voluntary consent. The fact that we are getting a sales push is what's troubling. We didn't get this kind of product push for Obamacare.

And now we are getting govt-funded canvassers and maybe 1st Amendment breaches of text-message censorship. This seems designed to NOT help, but turn citizen against citizen, get someone killed, and facilitate a greater clampdown on civil liberties.

Why, all this almost make you think that was the plan all along...

21 posted on 07/18/2021 8:07:00 AM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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To: DoodleBob

That was very well written. Thank you for posting.

I would like to point out, also, that the worldwide release of this virus was likely deliberate and absolutely no efforts have been made to insure against future releases of more viruses.

To me, this is the more important issue.


45 posted on 07/18/2021 8:29:19 AM PDT by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: DoodleBob

100% agree


46 posted on 07/18/2021 8:34:57 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them!it)
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To: DoodleBob

“The decline in case and fatalities since January coincided with the rollout of the shots. However, it can also be shown that this virus follows the seasonal/bad in the winter pattern of influenza, so correlation doesn’t mean causality.”


Yup. And the gaslighting is the tell. There is a MASSIVE online effort at pushing the ‘vaccines’.

Some dumbass University of Oregon academics thought they’d try to figure out why there were still ‘vaccine’ holdouts in the state, publishing their results that Gov. Brown was the LEAST trusted source of information.

Considering the politics of most all of the holdouts, I award the UO researchers the ubiquitous dunce cap.

But now they’ll spend more public funds recruiting doctors to do ads promoting the medical experiments and fear porn.


48 posted on 07/18/2021 8:36:37 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: DoodleBob

100% agree

Except maybe, I don’t think the other side is smart enough to pre-plan this.
They’re just taking advantage of opportunities as they appear.


50 posted on 07/18/2021 8:37:00 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them!it)
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To: DoodleBob

Welcome to the party, pal.


114 posted on 07/26/2021 7:25:29 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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