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A Covid Vaccine Crossroads: You can oppose government mandates but still favor mass vaccination.
Wall Street Journal ^ | July 15, 2021 | WSJ Editorial Board

Posted on 07/18/2021 7:32:58 AM PDT by karpov

Vaccines are the great success of the pandemic. Americans should be celebrating these breakthrough innovations that U.S. industry produced at breakneck speed. But instead even vaccines are becoming another front in the culture war.

About 65% of Americans over the age of 12 and nearly 90% of those 65 and older have received at least one dose. Widespread inoculations have resulted in plunging cases, hospitalizations and deaths in recent months even as most states lifted their lockdowns and mask mandates.

Cases have fallen by some 90% and hospitalizations nearly as much since their January peak. Deaths are 95% lower, and hospitals have more room to admit less ill patients. Returns are diminishing on each new vaccination as herd immunity approaches, but the societal goal should still be to vaccinate as many adults as possible. The more vaccinations, the lower the chance that breakouts this fall and winter could burden the hospital system and result in lockdowns.

Most Americans believe the personal benefits from vaccination outweigh the potential risks. Governments haven’t needed to resort to coercion, though some have tried to prod people with financial incentives. Yet the question now is what to do about the third of Americans who haven’t been vaccinated, especially as the Delta variant spreads.

Experts have been guilty of overplaying the risk of new variants to justify lockdowns. But the Delta variant deserves special caution. It is estimated to be more than twice as contagious as the original strain. The Pfizer vaccine is also between 10% and 30% less effective in blocking transmission of the variant, though it still appears to be more than 90% protective against severe illness.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: covid; covidvaccine; faucivirus; fearporn; notarealvaccine; trumpvaccine; vaccine; vaccinenazis
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Since my children and I have been vaccinated, we have felt more comfortable going to restaurants and other places. I oppose vaccine mandates for flying, but going on a cruise is purely voluntary, and I think cruise operators should be allowed to mandate vaccination, or not.

1 posted on 07/18/2021 7:32:58 AM PDT by karpov
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To: karpov

It’s nice to know where you stand on the issue.

I have an opposing viewpoint. But I also have a 3rd stance:

If anyone forces an injection on my family.. even if it’s an injection of the Christmas spirit .. that’s a direct assault. I’ll respond accordingly.

If the vaccine was so good then it wouldn’t need to be forced, right?


2 posted on 07/18/2021 7:37:05 AM PDT by Celerity
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To: karpov

“Yet the question now is what to do about the third of Americans who haven’t been vaccinated,”

So we are mere widgets for the oligopolists to determine “what to do about” us.

How about LEAVE ME THE HELL ALONE!?!?!?


3 posted on 07/18/2021 7:37:40 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Critical Race Theory: black behavior is so bad it must be whitey's fault.)
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To: karpov

Informed consent is impossible.

That should settle the issue of requiring vaccination.

If we still lived in a republic.


4 posted on 07/18/2021 7:39:58 AM PDT by mewzilla (Those aren't masks. They're muzzles. )
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To: Celerity

Right. And remember that even at its peak, most people who contracted COVID had symptoms that were so benign (even non-existent) that they needed to be tested just to learn if they actually had it.


5 posted on 07/18/2021 7:40:31 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("And once in a night I dreamed you were there; I canceled my flight from going nowhere.")
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To: karpov

Every day I and all of my family (near and far) are rewarded with the comfort of knowing we have not received these inflammatory life shortening substances in our bodies and those of us who have supposedly contracted this and recovered are apparently 6 times more protected than we would be had we received these inflammatory substances.


6 posted on 07/18/2021 7:42:50 AM PDT by jacknhoo ( Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation. )
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To: karpov

1930’s Germany had the “Jewish Problem”.
2021 the U.S. has the “Unvaccinated Problem”.


7 posted on 07/18/2021 7:44:21 AM PDT by Flick Lives (“Today we celebrate the first glorious anniversary of the Information Purification Directives.”)
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To: Flick Lives

1930’s Germany had the “Final Solution”.

2021 the U.S. Commies have the “Final Solution”.


8 posted on 07/18/2021 7:47:03 AM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: karpov

Quite a few people in my extended family have had the virus including several in their eighties and all of them got over it in a few days with no drama.


9 posted on 07/18/2021 7:47:36 AM PDT by marron
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To: karpov

a government that recommends experimental shots for its citizens to stop the spread of a virus while the same government opens its border and secretly spreads thousands of disease carrying invaders across its country during a global pandemic is a government that shouldn’t be trusted...


10 posted on 07/18/2021 7:49:02 AM PDT by heavy metal (smiling improves your face value as well as making people wonder what the hell you're up to... 😁)
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To: karpov

We now have one family member who was vax’d and still got the virus, and was sicker than her husband who wasn’t vax’d (and was hardly sick at all). For what it’s worth


11 posted on 07/18/2021 7:50:29 AM PDT by marron
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To: karpov

All of the people who got it were faithful maskers. In my branch of the family, none of us maskers and none have had the disease as far as we know.


12 posted on 07/18/2021 7:53:18 AM PDT by marron
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To: karpov

These shots are not vaccines.

I will not be getting one.


13 posted on 07/18/2021 7:53:51 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents)(Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: karpov

We are in a giant mind control experiment that is separating the wheat from the chaff.


14 posted on 07/18/2021 7:56:56 AM PDT by marron
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To: karpov

I actually agree with you on cruises. Nobody has the “right” to compel a cruise line to accept their patronage. If you don’t like the rule set by the cruise line, then don’t go on the cruise.


15 posted on 07/18/2021 8:01:25 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Celerity

If anyone forces an injection on my family.. even if it’s an injection of the Christmas spirit .. that’s a direct assault. I’ll respond accordingly.

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Yes, me too. As a single woman, with grown children who live on their own, if anyone tries to force a shot me, I will force a “Mossberg shot” between their eyes.


16 posted on 07/18/2021 8:01:55 AM PDT by HypatiaTaught (president FRAUD of the divided states of China)
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To: karpov

I think everyone but me and my wife should be vaccinated.

d:^)


17 posted on 07/18/2021 8:02:01 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods ( comment might be sarcasm, or not. It depends. Often I'm not sure either.)
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To: Flick Lives
1930’s Germany had the “Jewish Problem”.
2021 the U.S. has the “Unvaccinated Problem”.

Longer term:

2025 the U.S. has the “Vaccinated Problem”

The 2/3rds of the population that has been genetically modified will likely be having issues with their immune system that are completely unpredictable. What the hell is wrong with virtue signaling idiots who have had the vaccine and now insist that everyone else takes it. If you feel you are now safe then great... leave the rest of us alone. You don't need to worry about going to restaurants or on cruises with unvaccinated people. What ridiculousness.

A high percentage of the population were exposed during the last 18 months and are already better protected than the drones that have succumbed to peer pressure. That is the primary reason that the “pandemic” is over. These things run their course. The lies with fake statistics have been unprecedented and quoted here daily.

18 posted on 07/18/2021 8:03:24 AM PDT by fireman15
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To: karpov

Vaccines made with dead viruses … good to go.

Gene therapy tech masquerading as vaccines … oppose every aspect of them.


19 posted on 07/18/2021 8:03:52 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Flick Lives

It is more than simply “unvaccinated”

The weather underground figured they’d need to kill at least 25 million people who could not be politically re-educated/indocrtinated.

It’s much larger than just “vax jabs”. See also election 2020 talk, man made global warming, the glory of communism/socialism, crt, etc.

If you disagree on policy or reporting you are a “denier” and can be made a non-person in socialist networking media.


20 posted on 07/18/2021 8:04:47 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Lean on Joe Biden to follow Donald Trump's example and donate his annual salary to charity.)
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