To: TwelveOfTwenty
You ought to be more worried about being ignorant than being ashamed.
The confederacy was a democrat temper tantrum
This premise is popular with hacks who think that fake history will help them score points in current debates. Beck and D'Souza are two who have that habit. Maybe they are your source, you certainly haven't done any research in the subject. The Confederacy didn't have any political parties. Its officials were a mix of former Democrats and Whigs, including one of the four Whig US Presidents. In the North the Lincoln administration employed Democrats in important roles. VP Andrew Johnson, Secretary of War Edwin Stanton. Generals George McClellan, Benjamin Butler, John Dix. Ohio Governor John Brough. The Civil War wasn't "a Democrat temper tantrum" despite the firm belief of the illiterate.
But please don't embarrass the right by adopting the dems' history as ours.
I would be embarrassed if I was scolding someone over something about which I knew so little. But seeing you do it is pretty amusing.
92 posted on
07/12/2021 10:57:32 PM PDT by
Pelham
(No more words, now we fight)
To: Pelham
So not every confederate was a democrat and not every democrat was a confederate. So what? The democrats’ ties to the confederacy and slavery are so thoroughly documented that you would have to be a rabid leftist to deny them. That Whigs were also involved does nothing to refute this. Everyone can search for “democrats the confederacy and slavery” and decide for themselves who did what.
93 posted on
07/13/2021 5:38:51 AM PDT by
TwelveOfTwenty
(Still praying for our country and President Trump)
To: Pelham; TwelveOfTwenty; x; rockrr
Pelham to TwelveOfTwenty:
"The Confederacy didn't have any political parties.
Its officials were a mix of former Democrats and Whigs, including one of the four Whig US Presidents...
...The Civil War wasn't "a Democrat temper tantrum" despite the firm belief of the illiterate." Secession & war were driven by Democrat Fire Eaters -- Yancey, Wigfall, Rhett, De Bow, Keitt, Pryor, Pickens, etc., etc.
In 1860 they first split their majority Democrat party, South vs. North, to guarantee minority Republican victory, and then used Republican victory to justify secession.
Once secession was accomplished, Fire Eaters lead the charge to convince Jefferson Davis to start Civil War at Fort Sumter:
"There are the words of Virginian [Fire Eater] Roger Pryor, who, speaking to a Charleston audience on April 10, 1861, said, 'But I assure you that just as certain as tomorrow's sun will rise upon us, just so certain will Virginia be a member of the Southern Confederacy; and I will tell your Governor what will put her in the Southern Confederacy in less than an hour by Shrewsbury clock. Strike a blow!"
[W. A. Swanberg, _First Blood: The Story of Fort Sumter,_ p. 289]
"That same day, [Jefferson] Davis received a telegram from [Fire Eater] Louis T. Wigfall, urging, 'General Beauregard will not act without your order.
Let me suggest to you to send the order to him to begin the attack as soon as he is ready.
Virginia is excited by the preparations, and a bold stroke on our side will complete her purposes.
Policy and prudence are urgent upon us to begin at once.' "
[Wigfall to Davis, 10 Apr 1861, quoted in Richard N. Current, _Lincoln and the First Shot,_ p. 151]
Jefferson Davis was a Democrat, as were his cabinet secretaries:
- Leroy Walker -- 1st Secretary of War
- Judah Benjamin -- 2nd Secretary of War
- Stephen Mallory -- Secretary of the Navy
- Christopher Memminger -- Secretary of Treasury
- John Reagan -- Postmaster General
- Robert Toombs -- 2nd Secretary of State
- Robert Hunter -- 2nd Secretary of State
All Democrats.
Only VP Alexander Stephens was not a Democrat before 1861, but he was a Democrat from 1861 until his death in 1883.
TwelveOfTwenty: "The confederacy was a democrat temper tantrum."
That is a totally accurate statement, and Pelham's suggestions otherwise are just Democrat propaganda lies. ![]()
113 posted on
07/14/2021 7:23:50 AM PDT by
BroJoeK
(a little historical perspective...)
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