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Unvaccinated people are 'variant factories,' infectious diseases expert says
Time ^ | 7/3/2021 | Maggie Fox, CNN

Posted on 07/03/2021 9:35:00 PM PDT by Right Wing Vegan

Unvaccinated people do more than merely risk their own health. They're also a risk to everyone if they become infected with coronavirus, infectious disease specialists say. That's because the only source of new coronavirus variants is the body of an infected person. "Unvaccinated people are potential variant factories," Dr. William Schaffner, a professor in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, told CNN Friday.

"The more unvaccinated people there are, the more opportunities for the virus to multiply," Schaffner said.

When it does, it mutates, and it could throw off a variant mutation that is even more serious down the road."

All viruses mutate, and while the coronavirus is not particularly mutation-prone, it does change and evolve. Most of the changes mean nothing to the virus, and some can weaken it. But sometimes, a virus develops a random mutation that gives it an advantage -- better transmissibility, for instance, or more efficient replication, or an ability to infect a great diversity of hosts.

Viruses with an advantage will outcompete other viruses, and will eventually make up the majority of virus particles infecting someone. If that infected person passes the virus to someone else, they'll be passing along the mutant version.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


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To: Right Wing Vegan

Guys like the good doctor are a virus.


141 posted on 07/04/2021 6:26:44 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Karl Spooner

The “surge teams” should have been on the border for the past 6 months because the illegal invaders are likely the source of “the variants.”

All of their actions ring hollow when thousands of 3rd world people are invading our southern borders without being stopped when sick, to be tested, or vaccinated prior to being bussed and or flown all over the country.

Got a hot spot in Missouri? Arkansas? Check to see how many busloads have arrived in the past month or two.


142 posted on 07/04/2021 6:34:55 AM PDT by Freedom56v2 (If I wanted to live in China, I would move there!)
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To: maddog55
Us non covid gene therapy takers (not anti-vaxers) may be all that’s left when it’s over.

3, 2, 1...

Can't have a bunch of ornery cusses left hanging around being problems. They'll think of something.

143 posted on 07/04/2021 6:49:10 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: jonrick46

“I think those who are wearing a mask in their car may be on their way to pick someone up and don’t want to release any potential COVID droplets that might infect them.”

No, they are scared dumb Democrats. I’ve seen them around.

It was almost down to 0% people wearing the face diapers outdoors. Then Dr. Fallacy started his variant BS again. Now it’s 5% outside and more in stores.

They are just scared Democrats. It’s not complicated. Here’s a video of them in NYC explaining their “logic” on face diapers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sde3p19Zd7U&t=106s


144 posted on 07/04/2021 7:21:36 AM PDT by romanesq (TRUSTY THE PLAN! ChiCom Joe is the Plan? Que magnificent! 👹)
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To: Right Wing Vegan

They’re throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks.
I honestly believe they want everyone hooked on these vaccines, and then, they control the logistics on who gets what. Big pharma gets rich and the undesirables get dead.


145 posted on 07/04/2021 7:39:37 AM PDT by Keyhopper (Indians had bad immigration laws)
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To: algore

I agree with you 100%, read post #145
This is how they take over


146 posted on 07/04/2021 7:50:40 AM PDT by Keyhopper (Indians had bad immigration laws)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Excellent post!

Lines are drawn and this could take a violent turn I imagine should the vaxxers get their way with society.

Honest people know they are on the wrong side of history even before it happens.

That’s why they are liars with their propaganda campaign.


147 posted on 07/04/2021 8:49:44 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: proust

Indeed.
They need the massive lies to feed their fake narrative and insane worldview.

I noticed almost ever black person I see in public is still a karen wearing these ridiculous masks.

Brainwashed doesn’t even begin to describe these fearful and willful slaves.


148 posted on 07/04/2021 8:56:16 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: jonrick46

“Progress rarely comes without problems. The Space Shuttle is a good example.“

We did not try to get 3/4 of hummanity onto the space shuttle during trials either. You have a select few, who understand the risks in and out, who make the decision to board the space shuttle, of sound mind and their own free will.

We do not have any of that with this experimental.


149 posted on 07/04/2021 9:00:33 AM PDT by walkingdead (We are sacrificing American youth's future on the altar of our own fear. And it is a travesty.)
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To: jonrick46; metmom

I have produced factual information that is supported by years of research. That research has been done by people who know the science. What you do is hurl insults and not one word to support your case. I have noticed this behavior among you anti-vaxxeers on these threads. It is not in keeping with how we treat fellow FReepers: “No personal attacks.”


This is also addressing your Post#99 to Metmom

1. You did not source your diagrams nor your information (at least on this thread). I was going to ask you to.

Also, please link to your references with “years of research and the scientists” to whom you are referring...Links to where I and others can follow up on what you are saying.

2. There is plenty of research by those who know the science and are challenging these particular products...They are being banned from Twitter, YouTube, etc...Gee I wonder why. Seems there is an agenda...So people are posting their work and articles here...and they are often met with a posse of pro-vaccine supporters who feel it is their mission to refute any alternative information that runs against the big gov’t. big pharma position (kind of like Twitter and YouTube...).

2. A little general history. In response to your post #99 “You would be happy if they did while America died—right?” regarding some folks wanting long-term trials/more testing...Sadly when the first major spike in deaths occurred in Feb of 2020, little was known about how to treat people. (Helpful Zelenko protocols were not widely known outside of his practice.) However, many of the people who died in the second major spike in deaths (Jan/2021), could have been saved (see below).

By Jan 2021, it was known that either Ivermectin (Kory/FLCCC protocols and/or Hydroxychloroquine (Zelenko) protocols which provided proper doses given at proper time in the diseases cycle combined with an antibiotic and other virus-fighting supplements such as zinc, D3, A, C could have done much to shorten and ease suffering and prevent deaths; however, there was and still is extremely active active suppression of and/or an attacks on these life-saving therapies...Alas, there is little money to be made on Hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectin...And if people can obtain these pharmaceuticals, the government loses control over the population.

Side note, Dr. Kory was attacked when he testified before Congress in early December for promoting Ivermectin. Dr. Zelenko was banned from YouTube and Twitter for promoting Hydroxychloroquine yet he is up for the Nobel prize for his life-saving treatment.

It is interesting and ironic that the arguments for these time-tested 2 drugs for off-label use was met with so much resistance and insistence that vast clinical trials be conducted before they could receive emergency use even though doctors have historically been able to prescribe for off-label use. Fake articles citing hazards were introduced even into Lancet (only to later be refuted). Doctors were threatened not to use those therapies for fear of losing their license, etc. Pharmacists were instructed not to fill Hydroxychloroquine prescriptions. Interesting, that the same insistence was not exercised for introduction of MRNA, PFE or J&J products...As you said: the new therapy by MRNA was created in 2 days...But then as I said, little money to be made on older drugs...MRNA, PFE, etc. are experimental... rushed through with no liability for the pharma companies.

You make use of the term, “anti vaxxeers(?).” That is not accurate, is some what incendiary and does not support the exchange of factual information. Just because many here are hesitant to take an experimental vaccine, does not make them “anti-vax.” Last year, I was excited about the prospect of a vaccine, however, with the above history of suppression of certain therapies and promotion on the verge of coercion of the MRNA PFE products, has me concerned as well as the emerging questions about long-term effects.

You stated in another post: Moderna designed their vaccine in 2 days and it took massive testing and manufacture to do it right. So did Pfizer (eh it is on-going with those receiving their “vaccine”). The trials were fairly wide—they were not deep. They did not test differing groups and the trials are not long term, so long term effects are not known. (even if there is “documentation that would stack up as tall as the Empire State Bldg.” as you state on another thread).

If you trust the science, great! Glad you got the vaccine. But for those who already had COVID, don’t fit into high risk groups, or want to wait to look into the effects from the vaccines more fully, let us post and discuss...rather than coming on the thread refuting (with no links). BTW, since you come on these threads and present a lot of information—with no source links, so I am wondering, what is your agenda here? If you think MRNA and PFE are safe, how about you start threads and discuss the safety of those drugs with the others here who are looking for validation of their decision to get the jab and support MRNA, PFE, and the administration’s goals?

Speaking of administrations...Please don’t equate patriotism and Trump support with supporting the vaccines or Operation Warp-Speed. Recall, Trump tried to inform the public about alternatives, but was viciously attacked as were the treatments he suggested. I was a Trump supporter when this site was Cruz Country, so I support our President. However, Trump is not a medical expert~~he followed the advice of the likes of Fauci. Pres. Trump faced an emergency which no president in my lifetime has had to face...

From current reporting on National Pulse, etc. it
appears that the pandemic was either planned or the opportunity presented to use it against Trump and our liberties.

If Trump were in his rightful residence at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, I am sure he would do some things differently. I don’t think:

~~we would have the totalitarian agenda being pushed throughout the national dialog.

~~he would have Fauci et al. advising him.

~~there would be the push to vaccinate young children with experimental therapies because Trump was concerned about children being over-vaccinated during his 2016 campaign.

~~we would have the COVID “hot spots” where biden is going to send “surge teams” because we wouldn’t have tens of thousands of illegal invaders crossing our borders—people who are known to be sick, are not tested, or vaccinated.

3. I’ve noticed plenty of “behavior” (attacks) at BOTH ends of the spectrum. I’ve not attacked you or called you names.

Your profile states: My mission is to take down Marxist Big Government. If that is so, then perhaps you should consider the big picture here and stop supporting the agenda of big government and the globalist corporations.

It is, after all, INDEPENDENCE Day. Hope you have a happy one.


150 posted on 07/04/2021 10:05:39 AM PDT by Freedom56v2 (If I wanted to live in China, I would move there!)
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To: metmom

RPOTUS Trump is, once again, touting these safe, effective and LONG used drugs, that are WELL known treatments for certain viruses, as much or more than he’s touting the warp speed shots.

I’ve noticed in the last few weeks.

So, there’s that. 😉


151 posted on 07/04/2021 10:16:39 AM PDT by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation 🙏🏻🇺🇸)
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To: jonrick46

Just curious how YOU, personally, can have anyone, here, zotted.

🤨

Did JR hand over the reins?


152 posted on 07/04/2021 10:19:26 AM PDT by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation 🙏🏻🇺🇸)
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To: Freedom56v2

Great post, the entire read!

Regarding this....

2.......“You would be happy if they did while America died—right?” regarding some folks wanting long-term trials/more testing...

You make use of the term, “anti vaxxeers(?).” That is not accurate, is some what incendiary and does not support the exchange of factual information. Just because many here are hesitant to take an experimental vaccine, does not make them “anti-vax.”


This twisted narrative is about all that these pseudo-science reliant FR VPs have....claiming that those of us who merely question the safety and efficacy of these experimental shots, want Americans to die.

That is the worst kind of lie. Well, at least as bad as accusing those who’ve died from these shots as really being sick with syphilis or AIDS.

And, their phrase ‘anti-vaxxers/vaxeers (??)” is equally false, as they’ve had explained to them, time after time on this forum.

Their lies and support of government overreach have run their course, here. Folks see right through their FRAUDci support.


153 posted on 07/04/2021 10:29:35 AM PDT by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation 🙏🏻🇺🇸)
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To: metmom

To the vax pimps and Big Pharma, we are but The few eggs that must be broken to make their omelet.


154 posted on 07/04/2021 10:50:15 AM PDT by SFRigger (Drain the swamp. )
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

Simply do not have anything to add. I lean towards the view expressed by the majority in here.


155 posted on 07/04/2021 11:56:52 AM PDT by Right Wing Vegan
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To: jonrick46
I think those who are wearing a mask in their car may be on their way to pick someone up and don’t want to release any potential COVID droplets that might infect them.

I think they’re virtue signaling.

156 posted on 07/04/2021 12:03:23 PM PDT by Allegra
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To: Right Wing Vegan
This is just more unadulterated fear porn from somebody who should know better but obviously has a separate political agenda.

If the Americans of 1775-1783 had the same ill informed mindset as so many of these cowardly, ignorant, and easily herded people of today, we would be still hailing The Crown as our Master.

157 posted on 07/04/2021 12:07:31 PM PDT by Gritty (Political opponents using the law as a weapon threaten the very foundation of our liberty-Pres Trump)
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To: JohnBrowdie
people who use the nearly meaningless term “virtue signaling” are virtue signaling.

People who use terms like “nearly meaningless” are really reaching. 😏

158 posted on 07/04/2021 12:08:49 PM PDT by Allegra
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To: Allegra

it was originally “mindless”, but that seemed judgmental.


159 posted on 07/04/2021 1:13:55 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie
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To: jonrick46

what abise you describe was the exact policy cdc and everywhere else used when reporting covid death cases

they were told no matter what someone died from, if tgey had a + for covid, it was to be recorded as a covid death

we had car crash victims reported as covid deaths because of this


160 posted on 07/04/2021 1:27:21 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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