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Unvaccinated people are 'variant factories,' infectious diseases expert says
Time ^ | 7/3/2021 | Maggie Fox, CNN

Posted on 07/03/2021 9:35:00 PM PDT by Right Wing Vegan

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To: rdcbn1

Do you have a source for that 1-month timeframe, please?


121 posted on 07/04/2021 5:23:27 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: jonrick46

A quick perusal of the good doctor’s video commentary history shows him always being on MSNBC or CNN and never on Fox, always wearing his name-embroidered white coat (in case we forget to succumb to authority bias), being hostile to Trump for not wearing a mask, a mouthpiece of the CDC during the pandemic, and unhappy when the CDC removed the mask guidance. With all that, and his 56 years of experience, when this sombich uses highly-charged, inflammatory language like “Unvaccinated people are potential variant factories,” ridiculing him is being generous.


122 posted on 07/04/2021 5:24:06 AM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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To: Myrddin
Precisely the opposite. The vaxxed are mutation factories.

The vaxxed have much less chance of getting the virus (3M total, 75k in the vaxxxed). Even if you believe the speculative theories of vaccine-induced proteins altering the immune system to allow more mutations it's not going to happen nearly as often.

123 posted on 07/04/2021 5:26:36 AM PDT by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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To: Myrddin

Do you have a source for the 15 min timeframe?
The other thing, which you left out, is that without the modified spike protein entering the cells with the ACE2 receptors, is that those cells in response to the binding with the receptors, release a cascade of inflammatory cytokines; that, and contact of the spike protein with platelets can induce clotting even without whole coof virus present.
Please supply a link to the S1 folding into a prion; IIRC there are certain primary geometrical features which are common with those of prions; I haven’t yet seen a cogent mechanism by which the presence of the cleaved/folded S1 *causes* prions to form from other proteins.


124 posted on 07/04/2021 5:28:13 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: week 71
It is not even approved
You are the experiment.
125 posted on 07/04/2021 5:28:18 AM PDT by dblshot
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To: mewzilla

You spelled “keeps people from finding out how innocuous Delta really is” incorrectly, didn’t you?


126 posted on 07/04/2021 5:29:44 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: jonrick46

No, but the war should not be waged with defective weapons.

Prophylactic treatment with HCQ or Ivermectin and zinc early on would have done far more to drop the death count than any so- called vaccine, one which has NEVER been shown to work and be without risk before.

What makes it suddenly OK when the whole history of mRNA vaccine attempts has such a dismal track record?


127 posted on 07/04/2021 5:30:17 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith……)
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To: jonrick46

Right, so Qtard and flat-earther are not personal attacks.


128 posted on 07/04/2021 5:30:19 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: jonrick46

HCQ and Ivermectin we’re already known to be effective anti-virals against coronoaviruses.

Much time could have been saved and many lives could have been saved by trying that first, even while working on the so-called vaccine in case they didn’t work.

Instead, they banned their use and sentenced people to death or disability.

IOW, they murdered people in their bloodlust to push the vaccine.


129 posted on 07/04/2021 5:33:23 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith……)
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To: jonrick46; vigilante2

You need to grow a thicker skin for FR.

You are way too easily offended.


130 posted on 07/04/2021 5:34:28 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith……)
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To: jonrick46; vigilante2

That’s rich.

Complaining about name calling and personal attacks and you ready to zot others over name calling.

That sounds like far more personal attack than simple name calling.

I guess anyone who does not post the way you think should be gone, eh?

How totalitarian of you.


131 posted on 07/04/2021 5:37:06 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith……)
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To: Secret Agent Man
consider they are not tracking breakthrough cases anymore

CDC is not, but some states are. You can get stats from Mass showing the cases and mortality which is 1.5% (no decrease in mortality with vaccine), but just 4,000 breakthrough cases: https://www.visiontimes.com/2021/06/28/massachusetts-reports-covid-19-infections-in-nearly-4000-fully-vaccinated-people.html

132 posted on 07/04/2021 5:38:03 AM PDT by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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To: jonrick46

You’re wrong on all counts, including the words “the” and “and”.
False equivalence, strawman.

Nobody cares about the mechanism of blood vessel damage in coof-patients; they’re angry that an untested gene therapy was used in place of harmless Ivermectin (Nobel Prize in Medicine 2015, over 3 billion doses in humans) or HCQ/Zinc.

People who get the jab aren’t dying of having the vasculature and thereby the alveoli in the lungs ravaged.
So your doubly false claim (”the vaccine”-derived, it’s an experimental gene therapy according to Moderna’s SEC filing) that the jab damages the body in the same way as the coof, wasn’t even claimed.

We don’t yet know what the harmful/safe level is in tissues, such as ovaries first, then others such as spleen, bone marrow, liver, adrenal glands...and you LEFT OUT crossing the blood-brain barrier.

Everyone and their DOG knows that the jab doesn’t create new virus. And the entire spike protein MUST be assembled in the first place, for your claim that the dendritic cells will break it down, to hold true (you can’t break something down unless it is first assembled).
The two other problems are the presence of whole spike protein in the blood (as indicated in the Harvard study).
Morons like you (”because SCIENCE!™”) think that 60 picograms / ml is a small amount, but it works out to on the order of 1 billion spike proteins in every milliliter of blood.
We don’t know if the body breaks it down or if the spike protein then binds to ACE2 receptors without entering cells (which is enough to start of inflammatory signaling cascades). And what’s worse, is if the body uses the antibody response to the spike protein, this lessens the innate immune response, and means the body is less likely to recognize the spike protein on new infections (hence the 67%-75% effectiveness, perfect for a “leaky vaccine”).

Did you even pass high school biology?


133 posted on 07/04/2021 5:41:33 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: Right Wing Vegan
And gay men are AIDS factories…so?
134 posted on 07/04/2021 5:44:58 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: jonrick46

Fauci has been caught in so many flip-flops, lies, and mistruths about Covid that I don’t trust him as a spokesman for the program. Anything he’s happy about can’t be good for me. He’s already told us that taking the vaccine is no proof against infection later and that we can expect boosters on a yearly basis. That doesn’t sound like a vaccine, to me. If they can’t be honest about it, why are they encouraging me to take it and want to stigmatize me if I don’t want to?

Frankly, I’d rather be innoculated through direct exposure. President Trump got it, beat it, and didn’t let having it slow him down. And he’s a heavy, unathletic man in his 70’s. It should have rolled him, going by what Fauci and the rest have to say about it. I’m in a group where I have a better than 99% chance of surviving direct exposure. I’ll take my chances.


135 posted on 07/04/2021 5:54:13 AM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: jonrick46

Let me know how that whole “Two Weeks To Stop The Spread” Bullfeathers is going, troll-boi.

Right up there with 0moeba’s “Hopey-Changey”.


136 posted on 07/04/2021 6:13:05 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: DesertRhino
“Vaccinated” people are chimeras. God only knows what’s going on in your bat spike infested brains.

LOL. Was there much going on before the shot?

137 posted on 07/04/2021 6:16:11 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: lightman

11. The unvcaccinated will be forced to wear muzzles aka cloth face masks for easy identification.

12. The unvaccinated will be rounded up and given the “choice” of forced vaccination or summary execution.

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13. Forced to wear yellow stars...

14. Forced to live in separate enclaves...

15. ...


138 posted on 07/04/2021 6:22:11 AM PDT by Freedom56v2 (If I wanted to live in China, I would move there!)
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To: Right Wing Vegan

That’s because the only source of new coronavirus variants is the body of an infected person. “Unvaccinated people are potential variant factories,


I have read threads about vaccinated people getting COVID...

Are they not going to be infected by whatever variant is circulating in their locale?


139 posted on 07/04/2021 6:24:51 AM PDT by Freedom56v2 (If I wanted to live in China, I would move there!)
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To: metmom; Right Wing Vegan; Jane Long; ransomnote; SecAmndmt; Secret Agent Man; Jan_Sobieski; ...
metmom :" Vaccine escape is caused by vaccinating people during an epidemic.
TPTB are causing the variants themselves by pushing their so-called vaccine during an actual outbreak but need a scapegoat to blame shift onto.
This trying to turn people against the unvaccinated is evil."

True that !
Most likely, the variants are caused when vaccinated people have a break-through, ..and the virus morphs and becomes genetically more adaptive.
Generally speaking, when a variant occurs, it becomes less lethal and deadly; however, other characteristics may arise,
such as more easily transmissible, fewer severe side-effects, ,etc., etc.

140 posted on 07/04/2021 6:25:28 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt
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