Posted on 06/29/2021 8:12:23 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
“...and to the Republic for which it stood.”
No, it can’t be required. Not if you want to also preserve liberty.
If we want to insist that nobody can force us to use “transgender” pronouns, then we also have to acknowledge that nobody can force you to say the Pledge. That’s liberty.
Slippery slope. It’s becomes too easy to get caught up into whatever direction the frenzied crowd goes. Think of a poured beer coming to a head. Amongst crowds this behavior becomes dangerous.
Just take the case of Ashlee Babbitt. Served her country well and would not crawl through that window on her own. Everyone wants to be a part of the something but one must never forget who they are. She did and it cost her her life.
“both liberals and conservatives feel that anyone should be able to believe whatever they want.”
Well, why wouldn’t they both feel that? After all, that’s the only state of affairs that has ever existed on this planet. Man is always, and always will be, free to believe whatever he wants. Your mind, and your beliefs, are the one sovereign territory of the individual that no state can ever claim.
Ayn Rand is a mixed bag of ideas. On one hand she was against totalitarianism and the government interfering and/or handouts but on the other, the individual was the sole purpose. To live for oneself, is not a complete life, I don’t think. There’s no sense of community or duty to family or marriage. She openly cheated in front of her husband. Her “religion” could be characterized as pagan. She was very strange indeed.
I don’t think my children need to be forced to say the plodge of Alliegence but they could copy me when I say it
I’m a few years older, and yes we recited the Pledge of Allegiance daily in elementary school.
There were a few families in a church similar (but NOT Seventh Day Adventists as they would clarify) that forbid their members from pledging allegiance to city, state or country. The teaching was that God is the ultimate and to include allegiance to country or flag was blasphemous.
Those students were allowed to remain seated and not participate. And yes, other kids would occasionally pester them or accuse them of whatever... kids being kids.
But it never was a big deal. Live and let live was a big way of looking at life in the rural Midwest in those days.
Children have never been required to recite the pledge. Since I was a child 60 years ago kids could and did opt out even in arch conservative rural Oklahoma. They just stepped out of the room during the pledge and the prayer. Nobody held a gun to their head, nobody excoriated them or gave it more than a passing thought and then forgot it.
My late Momma continued both Pledge and Prayer into the Mid-90s when she retired from teaching. The stupidtendant tried to stop her but the outcry from the community beat him down. She was ignored by him and continued her way. The community had hired her, supported her and most even loved her after she taught at least three of their generations in poor rural Oklahoma. Nobody really stood a chance against Momma, her God and her principles. Momma never stood on a soap box and shouted her principles urging others to do as she said, she just acted on them. We would all be better off if we had more like her.
Divisive politics and reporting. More wedges to drive us all apart.
the pledge represents good ideals you say. But I look around at our country and see legalized murder of 50 million + unborn babies. The celebration of all sorts of perverse types of sex via “sex education.” The government’s endorsement on the local, state and federal level of gay pride events among a whole host of other politically correct BS. Look at how the government rewards the dissolution of families: How they got rid of no fault divorce and make men pay money to a cheating ex, “for the good of the children.” The list can go on much longer. The USA in many ways is calling good evil and evil good. I WILL NOT say the pledge of allegiance.
I'm not going to stop anybody from reciting the PoA. But when patriots take a moment to ACTUALLY THINK about the possible ramifications of a few of the words that people recite in PoA, terms like ONE NATION and INDIVISIBLE arguably indoctrinate young impressionable minds with the wrong ideas imo.
"The true theory of our Constitution is surely the wisest and best, that the States are independent as to everything within themselves, and united as to everything respecting foreign nations." --Thomas Jefferson to Gideon Granger, 1800.
More specifically, the words emphasized above probably make it more difficult for young adults to later accept the constitutional reality of a limited power federal government, especially since the "common core math" and "critical race theory" indoctrination centers schools are probably no longer teaching the Constitution anyway imo.
Here's more material like your photo.
Alleged original way the PoA was recited. (Please critique.)
Insights welcome.
YES!!!
Even so, being born a US citizen implies implicit allegiance to the constitution.
Of course, children cannot commit to explicit anything, contracts, binding agreements etc until they reach the age of majority.
Once achieved, they are by matter of national fabric, expected to have fidelity to their nation.
Of course, since it is implicit, no actual oath or pledge is required, it is a natural law issue.
Those entering into service in the military or public derive are required to affirm or swear loyalty to the US Constitution and no other.
Hence, the requirements of sole US citizenship for those entering into commissioned service or high office.
No. It is an authoritarian ideal to make children subjects of the government. The pledge was created by a socialist to indoctrinate children to be obedient and subservient to the government.
The people will pledge their allegiance to the country when the country represents freedom and liberty.
America: love it or leave it!
In re: “One can’t be a socialist and a Christian”.
No one told Frank Bellamy or his Wiki biographers.
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