Posted on 06/17/2021 3:44:44 AM PDT by Stravinsky
Beat the rap make the cake and ice it with ??????????????????? marks.
Stating a fact is not the same as agreeing with it. We currently have anti-discrimination laws that create protected classes and require businesses to provide services to them. I have never agreed with that and have said all along that such laws can easily be replaced by signs displayed in business saying who they will not serve. Don't want to serve gay? Fine. Have no desire to serve Muslims or Baptists? Not a problem. That takes the government out of the equation and lets the market control the solution.
Unfortunately that's not going to happen in my lifetime so I try to oppose other forms of government heavy-handedness when I can. But turning it around, how can you say that the government should not be able to force the baker to bake the cake but say the government should require cruise lines to take unvaccinated passengers? Isn't one form of government intrusion as bad as the other?
I’ll guess using the Defense of “following the Science” won’t work in this case.
Welcome to the new world of Godfather Government, either your Brains or your Signature will be on that Contract.
Surely you aren’t suggesting that cruise lines have a deeply held religious belief of preventing unvaccinated people from joining the cruise? The baker is a one man shop and is being forced the engage in expressive conduct by creating a message (cake artistry) that he fundamentally objects to on religious grounds. The cruise lines aren’t doing any such thing and are trying to override the moral and religious beliefs of individuals. The same principle, individual moral and religious freedom is at stake in both.
Make the cake.
Make the cake taste like crap.
Make the cake expensive.
Make the cake look bad.
Make the cake beautiful and just trip and fall as you deliver it and apologize profusely as you mop it up from the floor.
Nobody knows how to fight a counter insurgency.
You know what to do, you know who to do it to and you know how to be creative and destructive.
Don’t announce anything. Don’t join a group. Just be a fish in an ocean of fish.
Remember these great quote,” I want to speak to my attorney and am invoking my 5th amendment rights…. Repeat and never say or write down anything.
We're talking about government telling business who they have to provide services to. So it appears that you are all for it, except for people you don't particularly like.
You mean like the government mandating masks and vaccines?
Also, that’s not what we are talking about at all. Please go back and read. Oh, by the way, are “assault weapon” bans Constitutional or not?
To the best of my knowledge the government is not requiring vaccinations, nor do I think they should.
Also, that’s not what we are talking about at all. Please go back and read.
That is exactly what we're talking about - the government telling this man to bake the cake, or the cruise lines to accept passengers regardless of vaccination. And how you agree with the government doing that, except in the cases where you don't. That should not hard at all to follow, but then again you are from Texas.
Have you seen the list of public (government) schools mandating vaccines? UVA and VT immediately come to mind. The mask mandates and other restrictions were all government imposed. You fell all over yourself supporting such restrictions.
That is exactly what we're talking about - the government telling this man to bake the cake, or the cruise lines to accept passengers regardless of vaccination. And how you agree with the government doing that, except in the cases where you don't. That should not hard at all to follow, but then again you are from Texas.
That's not what we are talking about. Go back and read. I already explained the distinction, but since you are autistic, you can't seem to follow it.
And, for about the 100th time, Are "assault weapon" bans constitutional or not?
What if all of the phone companies shut off your service for espousing beliefs they do not approve of, such as the election was stolen, for example?
That is no different than what social media is doing....
Your 'distinction' was thin at best. You want, as I said, for the government to specify who a company must cater to...except for people you don't like. The reason why the business doesn't want to sell to a particular person should not be dependent of whatever vague definition of 'deeply held religious beliefs' you want to toss it. It shouldn't be dependent on religious beliefs at all. The deciding factor is whether the business is acting in its best interest. For the baker, turning down the customer for personal reasons should be sufficient. For the cruise line, turning down non-vaccinated customers because they don't want the legal exposure of a COVID outbreak should be sufficient. It should not be the governments call as to whether one position is right and the other is wrong, the government's role should be to stay out of it altogether.
Uh, had she simply ordered a pink cake with blue frosting there wouldn’t have been an issue.
Pure setup.
The 14th Amendment has nothing to do with 99% of what federal courts say it does. Our once respeced judiciary is just another political branch and a laughing stock.
I understand that your autism may make it difficult to see the distinction and I understand that you liked to pretend to be a lawyer (but aren’t one) but what you categorize as a “thin” distinction is legally relevant, even under Employment Division v. Smith (which is now on its last legs anyway.)
Like it or not, religious freedom is one of the most sacred and protected rights that the Constitution was written to guard.
So, here we are again, you play your snarky passive aggressive autistic game and then hide your true beliefs because you don’t want to get suspended from posting again.
Until you are willing to answer whether “assault weapon” bans are Constitutional, we don’t have anything further to discuss.
And this case is another example of how the Judicial system is broken.
A long series of idiocy like this has convinced me courts are at best a crap shoot, and at worst an extra legal means of imposing ideology on people against their will.
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