More Than 500 Breakthrough Infections Reported in Mass. in Under 3 Weeks

NBC ^ | 6.16.21

[2aProtectsTheRest]

"In this case you are demanding I join you in assuming that the state’s policy differs from the CDC’s policy in a way that favors your narrative."

No, I do not. I demand that you join me in acknowledging that we have no information about the disposition of these cases. And I ask that if you're going to make any claim about what the state of Massachusetts reports (whether it aligns with what CDC reports or not), that you provide evidence to that effect. I have repeatedly stated that we DON'T know the disposition of these cases and the only time I said something about the state's reporting policy was to ask you for documentation that the state of Massachusetts does not report breakthrough infections unless patients are hospitalized. Which, you have still not done. So barring that, the only honest response is that we do not know anything about the condition or symptoms or lack thereof for any of the cases mentioned in this article.

"You know that the CDC will not willingly admit or expose the damage caused by their ‘vaccines’"

Except, again, they have. In January they did. In April they did. In May they did. Again and again they do. When there's an issue, even if it's rare, even if it's minor, they publicly investigate it and they publicly reveal the results of their investigation and issue new guidelines if necessary.

They've done so again and again. You seem to want to ignore the fact that they have publicly reacted to anaphylactic reactions, blood clots, and myocarditis. You use these rare events to make claims about how unsafe the vaccines are, then conveniently ignore the fact that it's the CDC pushing this information out to the public and issuing guidance. They even recommended a pause in the J&J vaccine administration during their investigation. But here you sit, claiming the CDC doesn't admit when there could be an issue, when there is observable, objective fact demonstrating that they absolutely already have multiple times. If you will not acknowledge actual public events which have taken place in front of the entire world, then we cannot have a productive discussion. Objective, observable facts are real. I have linked directly to the CDC's own press releases on negative reactions to the COVID-19 vaccines. Will you acknowledge that I have posted these links and that these links are real and do actually exist?

[mewzilla]

The COVID death data fraud: You can't imagine the number of death certificates that are being fraudulently tallied in this current pandemic.

The stats are crap. All of them.

[2aProtectsTheRest]

The CDC's Guidance for Certifying Deaths Due toCoronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID–19) explains probables very clearly. I would encourage you to read it in its entirety (it's only 2 1/4 pages) as it is quite reasonable and makes sense. Any claim that deaths are being exaggerated requires the cooperation of millions of doctors, nurses, medical examiners, and others who would have to be creating this false paperwork or remaining silent while seeing others do so.

I don't believe in conspiracies of millions of people, particularly when they're from widely differing geographical points, ideological and political backgrounds, etc. They didn't all get together and decide to pull a prank on the world. And they didn't just get told to do it either. If your boss came to you and told you to forge government documents, risk losing your profession (e.g. medical license), and risk prison time so your employer could make an extra 2% revenue, would you do it? Of course not. And neither would millions of doctors and nurses.

[Bulwyf]

I’ve done just as you described the entire time. I’ve done nothing different from any other year.

[T.B. Yoits]

Stats?

Why stop COVID-19? No one has died of almost anything else since it started. COVID-19 beat influenza, motor vehicle accidents, heart attacks, and even cancer! If we're lucky, COVID-21 or COVID-22 will beat death itself.

[2aProtectsTheRest]

Heart disease deaths were slightly above normal in 2020. Cancer deaths were at normal levels. Motor vehicle accidents did go down a bit until you account for everyone being at home. On a per-mile basis, they actually went up quite a bit. Drug overdose deaths also rose a bit.

There’s a big problem with the narrative that other deaths were simply reclassified as COVID-19: deaths from all the major causes were right about expected levels, but the overall total number of deaths jumped by 534,000 from 2019 to 2020, which is an over 18% rise year over year. A normal year over year increase is 0.3% - 0.7%. >18% hasn’t been seen since WWII.

[Bulwyf]

That commie isn’t interested in facts, and no amount of truth will change their mind. They’re working hard for their masters. The best we can do is ignore them.

[bagster]

And with very few very rare exceptions, the death certificate's chain of events in Section 32 Part I are going to make sense because doctors and medical examiners fill them out as a matter of routine.

Tell me, Mister vax shill. Where do you come upon your knowledge about 'very few, very rare exceptions' on death certificates.

And that all doctors are competent. And that all Doctors personally fill out the forms. And that all Doctors are honest. And that all Doctors would NEVER bend the knee to the medical organizations that allow them to 'practice' their trade. That all doctors do not 'go along, to get along' to advance their careers.

Hey, maybe one day they could get Fauci's 'do nothing' job, where all you gotta do is count your payoff money and flap your yap.

You kinda talk like you're the lord of all doctors, or something. Just who ARE you anyway, shill?

Time to come clean. You seem to know more than a common person would know. Even an actual REAL doctor. Aren't you the shill that signed up at some key time covid time just recently? Like as if you were given this exact assignment? to steer the people at FreeRepublic.com?

Sorta like you work in the front office of Derp Corp inc.

Let me see your papers.

[bagster]

That commie isn’t interested in facts, and no amount of truth will change their mind. They’re working hard for their masters. The best we can do is ignore them.

It can be beneficial to let them know what they are, so that others can see and know their propaganda for what it is.

These shills are trying to hurt our people.

I can't ignore that.

[Bulwyf]

I understand that. I would hope by now that most people can see through their bs.

[ransomnote]

You have over the past few months worked a Teflon strategy by claiming there is not one case of causal evidence and you say that to rebut claims there are cases of causal evidence.

Oh, but you add that such causal evidence must be verified by the CDC or it ‘doesn’t count.’ Mere statements of fact, research data, FOIA content, reports from family physicians and experts specializing in Covid treatments mean nothing - we have to stick to number the CDC blesses, and the CDC lies. At what point to you believe the CDC will abruptly admit to their crimes? That seems to be what you are insisting we all wait for and until then, ‘shoot’ as many people with these ‘vaccines’ as fast as possible.

I can go through a line by line parsing of how you are distorting the truth and it would be a waste of time because you will push the vax no matter how many experts provide clinical data, no matter how many FOIA’s reveal that which the pharmas are hiding.

You dismiss all claims of harm - “not one case,” which is itself a causal determination you claim doesn’t exist. If you rule out harm caused by the vaccine it means you have made a causal determination.

You can then flip to demand proof from others, and though you don’t always say it up front, you will only accept ‘narrative approved’, CDC approved proof, and the CDC will not admit to treason. So you knowingly ignore legitimate proof and hold out for that which is unobtainable from the CDC.

You imply there is no cause for any concern, anywhere, no trend of concern, zero concern and therefore the vaccines are safe. Tell us, professor, what did you determine to be the cause of the harm? You must know.

You say these even while stating that ‘cases’ should be investigated. Quietly, you repeatedly assert that which you cannot prove and the moment you are called on it, you demand other start proving using only CDC approved data.

In this case you are asserting your statement the State can use any data it wants, without actually proving what method of report it will admit to, versus what method of reporting the CDC will admit to. You know they are withholding information from the public unless you’ve been anesthetized throughout the plandemic. All this while you decline to exert yourself - you simply pound your shoe on the table and demand others go obtain the information you know CDC and states are guarding. Lacking such data, you imply the ‘shots are safe’ without having proven it, despite having admitting it ‘needs to be looked into.’

If you were honest you would admit that the CDC/States control the narrative and have decided not to admit to any harm unless cornered. You would concede that those watching the deaths and injuries climb have legitimate cause for concern but that the CDC will never acknowledge it. You would accept some of the extensive expert opinion, medical and research data outside of the CDC/MSM ‘narrative’ has validity. If you were honest...

You punctuate your Teflon dishonest posts with demands that others concede to your tactics as if the successful withholding, denying, distorting of evidence is equivalent to the ‘Good Housekeeping Seal Of Approval’.

You no doubt will complain that I did not obey your commands. You will pretend I’m not telling you your ‘commands’ are tactical distortion and I won’t comply.

[bagster]

Heart disease deaths were slightly above normal in 2020. Cancer deaths were at normal levels. Motor vehicle accidents did go down a bit until you account for everyone being at home. On a per-mile basis, they actually went up quite a bit. Drug overdose deaths also rose a bit.

So? You're off topic again, dancing monkey.

Here's the score:

People take vax = People catch the covid.

People take vax = People die.

People take vax = People get all kindsa other sh*t.

Final score = Vax bad, doesn't work, and is dangerous.

The end.

All your BLAH BLAH BLAH about anything other than that, is hoopla, balderdash, and poppycock.

And you're wasting good air that real people could be breathing.

[Pollard]

awesome jabs

[mcshot]

Right you are. According to inventor Karey Mullis MD, the PCR test was never intended to be a diagnostic tool.

[bagster]

Boy howdy, you sure kin argue.

You get your usual prize, but first....

If you rule out harm caused by the vaccine it means you have made a causal determination.

This phrase is key, and this shill isn't the only one who does it like its the thing to do.

From day one, these vax-bots have made 'causal determinations' by 'determining' the vax did not cause the harm. They 'determined' the harm had to have been caused by something else.

And they have done all this in their mind.

And now, for your prize. Awarded for another most excellent shredding of an opponent on the field of battle in the Vax Wars.

[logi_cal869]

/s

[bagster]

You no doubt will complain that I did not obey your commands. You will pretend I’m not telling you your ‘commands’ are tactical distortion and I won’t comply.

Hey, you got that tactic from B Rabbit when he battled Papa Doc in the final scene of 'Eight Mile'.

Works good, right?

[Tilted Irish Kilt]

Faulty batch of vaccine ?
or, not kept/ stored at the proper temperature ?

[2aProtectsTheRest]

"You have over the past few months worked a Teflon strategy by claiming there is not one case of causal evidence and you say that to rebut claims there are cases of causal evidence."

Causal case of what, exactly? Deaths? There hasn't been until very recently. There was news posted of someone who died and the medical examiner listed the death as possibly being due to an adverse reaction to a COVID-19 vaccine (I don't recall the exact details). I never denied anything about that case as that was a medical professional with actual knowledge of the specific patient - including both medical history and physical/toxicology findings - stating their medical opinion. That's actual evidence for that one case. And it's possible that some others exist as well. There's been no evidence of widespread deaths and nearly every single case (e.g. Hank Aaron, Marvin Hagler, etc.) where anti-vaccine activists have claimed a death was from a vaccine has had overwhelming evidence (e.g. the medical examiner's report) that it actually wasn't.

"Oh, but you add that such causal evidence must be verified by the CDC or it ‘doesn’t count.’"

At no point have I ever said this. What "doesn't count" is some Facebook post or conspiracy website post or other anonymous, unverified report, particularly when it's from an agenda-driven source. Medical examiner reports, death certificates, and doctors discussing specific patients they - themselves - have examined and diagnosed; THOSE are convincing evidence.

"‘shoot’ as many people with these ‘vaccines’ as fast as possible."

I've always encouraged people to make their own decisions based on the best available evidence and their own personal medical situation and judgement. Do you disagree with that?

"you will push the vax no matter how many experts provide clinical data, no matter how many FOIA’s reveal that which the pharmas are hiding."

Demonstrably false. Take the AstraZeneca/Oxford vaccine. I was quite positive on it and called it the frontrunner back in May/June of last year. The clinical trial data looked great. The efficacy and safety all looked wonderful. They seemed far ahead of everyone else and were sure to have an authorized product on the market earlier than anyone. At one point, I was saying they were likely to be President Trump's October surprise. And then the information about the problems in their clinical trials came out. The trials were disjointed, with different groups using different protocols. The results were muddled. The efficacy suddenly didn't look as good, particularly once variants were checked. Questions around blood clots emerged. And with all those problems emerging, I came to the conclusion around January that AZ/Oxford would likely have to completely redo their entire Phase 3 clinical trials to gain authorization in the US and I suggested that others outside the US with an alternative available from the US should probably look at that instead.

My views follow the evidence I have in front of me. Evidence comes from reputable sources like scientific journals, doctors, medical examiners, and others. And all of it has to be taken in context and understood within the context of other information. Confirmation from independent sources is always strongly preferred. And yes, if the evidence in front of me changes, I can change my views. I've cautioned people with a history of severe allergic reactions away from Pfizer and Moderna. I've said women of childbearing age probably should steer clear of J&J. Oh, and anyone who's pro-life too, since J&J decided to use fetal stem cells to develop and test their COVID-19 vaccine. I am consistent when the evidence is consistent. I'm not ashamed of that.

"You dismiss all claims of harm"

Demonstrably false. I never dismissed the possible link to cases of anaphylaxis with Pfizer and Moderna. I never dismissed the possible link to cases of blood clots with AZ and J&J. And I never dismissed the possible link to cases of myocarditis with young people with Pfizer and Moderna. In each case, I stated that an investigation was warranted, and in each case, when causal links were found, I acknowledged that and made suggestions based on that.

"You imply there is no cause for any concern, anywhere, no trend of concern, zero concern and therefore the vaccines are safe."

The known cases of harm thus far include people with a history of severe allergic reactions (Pfizer and Moderna), women of childbearing age and blood clots (J&J), and myocarditis in young people (Pfizer and Moderna). Each of those deserves further context inasmuch as while anaphylaxis is absolutely quite serious, it's also typically very easily reversible with (for example) a shot of epinephrine. But I still wouldn't suggest anyone who carries an epipen with them get Pfizer or Moderna; it's not worth the risk of reaction. The blood clots issue only seems to happen with girls and women who have their period and thus far has been rare and typically not serious. Girls and women on hormonal birth control pills also encounter issues with blood clots. And myocarditis is quite common among young people, particularly healthy young athletes. A common cold is often the cause, but other infections, parasites, certain vaccines, exposure to radiation, and even consuming alcohol can trigger it. It's typically not even noticeable and very rarely a problem. But each of these risks should be considered for each individual thinking about getting vaccinated.

"n this case you are asserting your statement the State can use any data it wants, without actually proving what method of report it will admit to, versus what method of reporting the CDC will admit to. You know they are withholding information from the public unless you’ve been anesthetized throughout the plandemic. All this while you decline to exert yourself - you simply pound your shoe on the table and demand others go obtain the information you know CDC and states are guarding. Lacking such data, you imply the ‘shots are safe’ without having proven it, despite having admitting it ‘needs to be looked into.’"

No, I simply stated that in the absence of facts, assumptions being made are unfounded. Yes, I do want to have evidence from reputable sources before claims are to be believed. I don't think that's a bad thing.

"You no doubt will complain that I did not obey your commands. You will pretend I’m not telling you your ‘commands’ are tactical distortion and I won’t comply."

Not at all. You're free to make any unfounded claims you care to. But if you make claims about the 500 cases in this article without having any evidence to back up those claims, I'm also free to point out that such claims are unfounded. All I asked was whether you have documentation about what sorts of breakthrough cases the state of Massachusetts reports on in their own state reporting and whether that aligns with what the CDC has chosen to report on vis-a-vis only hospitalization breakthrough cases. In the absence of that, I've stated that we have no reason to believe any of these cases are serious. We - in fact - have no information about the disposition of these cases whatsoever since the article fails to provide any.

I'm not asking for missing frames from the Zapruder film here, I'm asking whether you have any documentation on whether Massachusetts reports on trivial breakthrough cases. And if you don't, that's fine, but that leaves us where we stand right now: with no context as to what this 500 number actually means.

[roving]

https://truthbasedmedia.com/2021/06/17/covid-19-vaccines-lead-to-new-infections-and-mortality-the-evidence-is-overwhelming/