More Than 500 Breakthrough Infections Reported in Mass. in Under 3 Weeks

NBC ^ | 6.16.21

[PTBAA]

“...people who get vaccinated are not getting sick and dying.”

Nobody told me it was an immortality serum, sign me up!

[2aProtectsTheRest]

"You’re the conspiracy theorist."

That sure is an interesting perspective, I'll say that. I think if we stack up the things you and I think are true, one has a mountain of observable evidence and the other relies on fringe theories supported by virtually no one outside of weird conspiracy websites talking about space aliens and CIA plots and all sorts of silly things.

"The inventor of mRNA technology (not anti-vax, obviously) is warning that the spike proteins are cytotoxins and is against the vax."

He took the shot himself to help with long haul COVID symptoms.

"Doctors are reporting harm to their patients"

Which doctors are reporting harm to their actual patients? Not talking about someone with a medical degree making broad claims. I'm talking about actual practicing physicians who are saying that actual patients they - themselves - are treating and examining are being harmed, beyond what's already known about the rare reactions?

"even though the medical establishment threatens them and order them to silence"

Which doctors have received what specific and documented communicated threats against them from their bosses? Which hospitals, specifically, and what were the content of the threats, and what was the context of the individual cases of threats?

"Vaccine developer Vanden Bossche has begged the UN and WHO to stop administering them, for the future of humanity."

You mean the vet (as in puppies and kittens) who made crazy claims about the virus being "harmless" (killed millions so far, by the way) and the vaccines killing everyone? Yeah, kook making objectively disproven claims.

"Former PFizer Chief Science Officer Dr. Yeadon is confronting the establishment with facts, insisting ‘vaccination’ stop to preserve human life."

Former Pfizer Chief Science Officer? Wow! Really?! Oh wait, no, that's not right. That would be Mikael Dolsten, who's held that position for the past 10 years. So who is Yeadon? He was vice president and chief scientific officer for Pfizer’s United Kingdom-based allergy and respiratory unit until that unit shut down in 2011. Former failed employee makes wild and crazy claims against ex employer! News at 11!

"Even the CDC is admitting to an issue with heart inflammation"

Which creates a bit of a problem for your claims of negative reactions with the vaccines being suppressed, doesn't it? Because they came out immediately with the news of severe allergic reactions to Pfizer and Moderna in January. Then they came right out with the news of blood clots from the J&J vaccines in April. And then they came out with the news of cases of myocarditis in May. So they're not actually suppressing information about negative reactions. They're investigating them and publicizing both the investigations and the findings.

"Acknowledged experts in research, virology, medicine etc. are warning the public at great risk to their futures"

A handful of people are making wild and crazy claims. A handful of people always make wild and crazy claims. People aren't dying en masse. And they aren't going to start. They were originally going to die en masse (per the anti-vaccine peoples' claims) within 3-6 months after vaccination. Then it was a year. When a year passed by, it became 2-3 years. Why not get head of that 2-3 years now and say it's going to be 10 years? Maybe by then, everyone will have forgotten the crazy (wrong) claims were made in the first place. It'll be a lot less embarrassing.

People have been making end of the world claims since humans began having free time to waste. I miss Harold Camping's crazy claims about the end of the world. That man at least knew how to tell a story. This latest batch of crazy "the end is nigh" nonsense is less entertaining.

[2aProtectsTheRest]

"But since you brought it up, you don’t have any proof that MASS IS reporting breakthrough cases so we don’t have to assume they aren’t just to protect your beloved ‘vaccines."

If you go back to my original post, I stated that we don't have any information about whether the reported cases have symptoms, are asymptomatic, are hospitalized, or anything else. So it seems we're in agreement now, yes? These are cases. Not necessarily any hospitalizations. Not necessarily any deaths. Entirely possible that each one of these was nothing more than sniffles or was nothing at all and got caught when somebody had a broken leg and was tested at the hospital.

Unless and until we have more information than that, this is just numbers with zero context about what it means. Because if it's 500 asymptomatic people out of 3.5 million vaccinated persons, it's a big ol' nothingburger.

[2aProtectsTheRest]

"We can assume"

Sure, you can assume anything you like. But it would be dishonest to make claims based on assumptions like that without acknowledging that those claims rely on unfounded assumptions rather than actual data. We have no data about the cases in the article. We simply have a number of positive cases. If you want to assume they're all dead now, you are certainly free to do so, but if you're going to claim that this represents 500 dead people without pointing out there's no evidence of that, that would be dishonest.

The honest answer is that we have no context around these numbers. They could all be asymptomatic. They could all be dead. Or anywhere in between. We have no information. The article is largely useless fearmongering.

[David Chase]

Wow you came fully loaded this morning.

Well done.

[ransomnote]

“We can assume”
Sure, you can assume anything you like. But it would be dishonest to make claims based on assumptions like that without acknowledging that those claims rely on unfounded assumptions rather than actual data. We have no data about the cases in the article. We simply have a number of positive cases. If you want to assume they’re all dead now, you are certainly free to do so, but if you’re going to claim that this represents 500 dead people without pointing out there’s no evidence of that, that would be dishonest.

The honest answer is that we have no context around these numbers. They could all be asymptomatic. They could all be dead. Or anywhere in between. We have no information. The article is largely useless fearmongering.
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I just pointed out that you are assuming every detail that would protect your beloved ‘vaccines’ and you reply by pretending you didn’t notice any of that, and claiming that am guilty of ‘assuming’. Why haven’t you prefaced all you assumptions with the statement that you don’t have anything to back up your assumptions?

[2aProtectsTheRest]

I think you need to re-read my original post in this thread: https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3968519/posts?page=5#5

In it, I specifically stated that we don’t have any facts about these cases. I also stated that if they’re all asymptomatic, it’s nothing at all, and if they’re all dead, that definitely needs to be looked into.

No part of that made any assumptions. I correctly pointed out that the article provides no information about the cases. Do you agree that the article tells us nothing about whether these “500 cases” included any deaths or none, any hospitalizations or none, or any symptomatic cases at all or none? That’s all my comment said. It’s bad journalism that provides just enough information to provoke a fear response with no actual useful information.

[mewzilla]

All the stats are crap.

All of them.

[2aProtectsTheRest]

Except the ones that favor your narrative, right? Those stats are gospel.

[mewzilla]

Let me give you some example from NYS...

NYS counts repeat positives of the same patient as new cases.

Counts probables as new cases.

Asymptomatics are counted as cases.

Facilities doing testing REFUSE to release info about the Cts in use.

Deaths for people with CoupFlu are counted in with deaths listed as from.

See where I’m going with this?

Do you trust our stats?

And if other states are doing the same, and all if the blue ones are...

The stats ARE crap.

[bagster]

Wow you came fully loaded this morning. Well done.

Haha, Chase. Look at you sucking up to another one. This time, though, its an ACTUAL shill, not just some gassie doctor.

Now he has to log you in as 'one of the good guys' and report his success to his master. He gets a bonus for every dope that buys his propaganda.

You do realize everything he said is boosheet, yes? You're just agreeing with him cause you're fully invested in the vax to the bitter end, even with MORE and MORE evidence coming out every day that its not even close to SAFE or EFFECTIVE.

The lunatic is even STILL denying that people are dying. And you wanna hitch your wagon to THAT train wreck?

Word of advice, Chase my boy. Get out now, before the whole thing comes crashing down on your head. Let 2a and the professional shills stay in the burning building.

You amateurs can live to fight another day, for some other dopey, losing cause.

I say this because I love you. Listen to Daddy just this one time.

#NoHomo

[mewzilla]

Hers another problem. These so-called breakthrough cases, at least some may not be the fault of the vaccine.

In NYS, docs aren’t allowed to offer the shots (still no explanation for that, BTW), and there’s a good chance that some of the people doing the administering don’t know or give a damn about the difference between intermuscular and subcutaneous.

So even more stats are crap.

But then...

This was NEVER about public health, was it...

[bagster]

No part of that made any assumptions. I correctly pointed out that the article provides no information about the cases. Do you agree that the article tells us nothing about whether these “500 cases” included any deaths or none, any hospitalizations or none, or any symptomatic cases at all or none? That’s all my comment said. It’s bad journalism that provides just enough information to provoke a fear response with no actual useful information.

Dude, stop the tap dance.

500 covid vaxed people CAUGHT THE COVID.

Hospital, dead, mutant zombies....doesn't matter.

THE VAX DOES NOT WORK!

The dancing monkey act is getting old.

[bagster]

Except the ones that favor your narrative, right? Those stats are gospel.

Except that dead people aren't 'stats'. They each had a name, flesh, bone, and blood.

And your vax kilt them.

Stop dancing on their graves.

[ransomnote]

I think you need to re-read my original post in this thread: https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3968519/posts?page=5#5

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You always make assumptions that protect your beloved ‘vaccines’. In this case you are demanding I join you in assuming that the state’s policy differs from the CDC’s policy in a way that favors your narrative.

It’s not likely given that the state would have ‘problems’ with the CDC if they didn’t uphold the ‘narrative’ and because the state is pushing the ‘vax’ HARD just like the CDC wants it to.

You know that the CDC will not willingly admit or expose the damage caused by their ‘vaccines’ so you happily say, ‘well there’s no proof so they should investigate.’

There’s proof - there’s just no willingness to officially acknowledge it. And then you act like unwillingness to acknowledge proof means that the toxic ‘vaccines’ are safe.

[2aProtectsTheRest]

"Deaths for people with CoupFlu are counted in with deaths listed as from."

I'll just address this one piece real quick because this is easy. Deaths are counted as being from COVID-19 when COVID-19 is listed by the doctor or medical examiner in the last line of Section 32 Part I of a US Standard Certificate of Death. Part 1 of Section 32 requires an ordered list - with onset intervals - for each of the morbid events leading directly to death. It starts with the Underlying Cause of Death (UCoD) and ends with the immediate cause of death.

In between each line, it says "due to". In other words, Event C, due to Event B, due to Event A. For example, hypoxemia (immediate cause of death) due to ARDS due to COVID-19. In that sequence, COVID-19 infection caused ARDS, which caused hypoxemia, which caused death. And that's it. That's all that goes into Part 1: only the events in the actual chain of events that lead directly to death. Other conditions which may have complicated the patient's survival go into Part II of Section 32. That could include things like diabetes, hypertension, asthma, and so on.

Those events have to make sense in their sequence. You don't put hypoxemia due to ARDS due to diabetes due to COVID-19 because diabetes isn't caused by COVID-19 and ARDS isn't caused by diabetes. And you don't put just COVID-19 because that doesn't kill the patient; something else that COVID-19 causes does. And you don't put ARDS due to COVID-19 due to cancer because cancer doesn't cause COVID-19.

The only deaths counted are ones where COVID-19 is listed as the UCoD. And with very few very rare exceptions, the death certificate's chain of events in Section 32 Part I are going to make sense because doctors and medical examiners fill them out as a matter of routine. They know what to do. And if they don't, CDC gives plenty of both general guidance and guidance specific to recording deaths from COVID-19 (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf)

[David Chase]

The CDC lies. They are hiding everything.
The CDC is Deep State lying about everything.
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Here is the information from the CDC. It proves my point.
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Funny how the CDC is either the biggest government liars or when needed, they have the key for the argument.

Also love the way others are summoned and tagged when a post is made so kudos can be exchanged.

Reminds me of the game show “Family Feud” ( The Richard Dawson ones).

“Name something on a pizza”:

Family member: “A Shoe”.

The rest of the family: “Good answer! Good answer!”

[mewzilla]

Unless your a medical professional, I’ve likely seen more death certificates that you have.

I’m familiar with how DCs work.

That still doesn’t explain how probables can count as deaths from in NYS.

And they do. And that’s just one example.

But here’s an easy way to find out.

Take NYS deaths, look for a sudden fall off during the last 18 months or so in deaths with failure to thrive listed as the immediate cause of death.

If there is one, and I’ll bet there is,, Houston, we have a problem.

[mewzilla]

I don’t think Albany has hidden CoupFlu deaths.

I think Albany inflated the death toll. Big time.

They inflated the case count.

And who’s gonna be afraid of a scamdemic that isn’t dropping people like flies.