Posted on 06/02/2021 7:04:57 AM PDT by Kaslin
“Then be the party. Take it over from the ground up.”
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With all due respect (and I mean that sincerely) I don’t believe that the GOP can ever be reformed from within. This would be like the soldiers and associates trying to reform the Mafia. Not going to happen IMO.
My view is informed by having people close to me who once worked inside various GOP organizations. Trust me, the party doesn’t work for you and me. It works for the big donors and special interest groups.
I don’t dispute that its theoretically possible to take control of the party from the bottom up. But as a practical matter its just not going to happen. In DC money trumps everything.
The RNC/GOP apparatus has a remarkably strong track record converting newly elected people into RINOs. Its the one thing the party is consistently good at. It also has demonstrated time and again its ability to avoid accountability and efforts to change it. It is a durable institution in the true sense of the word. Reagan couldn’t reform it and neither did Trump. What does that tell you?
I also don’t think we have the time to rebuild the party. It could take decades and there’s no guarantee of success. By then we could have a REAL conservative party functioning instead of relying on a fake one. Imagine how great it would be to vote for a party that actually stands for something and fights for it.
We both want the same thing (a real party that represents the interests and values of conservatives) but we have different opinions on how to accomplish it. But that’s OK. Different perspectives make the world go around. :)
Well then we should do both. There’s 80 million of us. Hard to find the big donors to start a new party. Takes a lot of money to build up the infrastructure.
Agree. If you’re going to fight one of the first things you need to do is get rid of the dead wood, resisters and backstabbers in your own organization. If you can’t do this you have no business taking on the outsiders.
As they say, fortune favors the bold. DeSantis would do well to remember that.
DeSantis is emerging as a bone fide true leader for the GOP along with Trump. He’s doing things, not just pretending like the Congressional GOP.
I can go along with the dual track approach. Better to have two chances to succeed than just one I guess. :)
My theory (and I could be wrong) is that a critical mass already exists for a new party so I don’t see funding as being a big problem. Based on your number an average donation of just $25 would bring in $2B. Imagine what a little more could bring in. I also think that a new party would be such a draw that it would literally make the GOP extinct overnight. I mean, who would want to stay in the GOP if a far better alternative existed? Why keep buying a faulty product when something better is available?
Millions of conservatives are sick and tired of being stabbed in the back and I don’t think there’s any dispute about that. There’s a thirst for real political representation.
If Trump would get behind a new party it could be up in a matter of months. Remember, he does things at Warp Speed. :)
Granted, there are a lot of “if’s” above but we have to do something. The future of the country is at stake and I’m not at all comfortable with relying on the GOP to advance our interests.
Like I’ve always said...they’re nothing but a bunch of gutless wonders.
We’ve got nothing to lose. TX and FL are on the same demographic track as CA. We can start building a party now or continue throwing good money after bad with the terminally corrupt GOP. In another decade or two it will be all over. The Dems will have an electoral college stranglehold and the only alternative will be the Potemkin opposition of a Romneyesque GOP.
OMG lodi don’t even mention a NEW party on this site to many people here still falling for the BS of taking over the party!! I am VERY SURPRISED to think that they don’t realize that for the past 5 DECADES we have tried to take over the party, these bastards are ENTRENCHED there till they drop dead and there is not a damn thing we can do about it!! Merkowski actually LOST her primary then the BITCH does a huge write in campaign and WINS pure BS!!!
Fixed it.
Kaslin is a GOPe hag and never sticks around. Post and run.
If nothing else, the precinct strategy would help at the precinct and county levels and county level automatically helps at the state level at least as far as the House goes. That would help create a defense against an encroaching fedgov. You know what they say, gotta get your own house in order first.
I would like to see all R candidates commit to vote to REDUCE the size of government, REDUCE its budgets and REDUCE the scope of its control over us. Any elected official who doesn’t produce evidence of meeting this commitment should be rejected by conservative voters.
The ballooning size, scope and power of government is at the very heart of most of our problems today. If we can’t elect people who will downsize this overbearing monster there is no hope for us.
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