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Will Eliminating Standard Tests Really Reduce Racial Disparities In Education?
JONATHAN TURLEY. org ^ | 5-31-2021 | JONATHAN TURLEY

Posted on 05/31/2021 1:59:19 PM PDT by blam

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Some college somewhere will make out like a bandit by having strict standards, pushing students to excel, and culling those who cannot cut it. Their degrees will be AAA, gold plated, and employers who want the best will line up for hires.

And by not having b.s. courses, it will be less expensive.


61 posted on 05/31/2021 3:44:43 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Poor kids are just as bright, just as talented, as white kids." - Joe Biden Aug 8, 2019)
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Like in a 'Twilight Zone" episode..., merely have Asian students be forced to wear earphones with a 70+db siren track while they take the tests, adjust the db level for other test takers commensurate with their "Privilege" societal ranking..., PROBLEM SOLVED, equal results achieved!
62 posted on 05/31/2021 3:58:35 PM PDT by ExSES (the "bottomhttps://youtu.be/ycrqXJYf1SU-line")
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To: blam

No. Work ethic and IQ go a long long way to success

Quotas and disguised racism in the form of “diversity “ and “affirmative action”


63 posted on 05/31/2021 4:32:39 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (#LeaveTheGOP. Pass it on Liberty Valance Time. The point of a gun is the only law they understan)
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To: CMailBag

Education has been in decline for many decades. Why not end this farce and just hand people whatever degree they want? None of it means anything any more.


64 posted on 05/31/2021 4:33:07 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (O Lord, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth! Psalm 8:9)
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To: blam
If you don't test, you don't have results to analyze to see if a "disparity" exists. It's the ostrich approach. You're perfectly safe with your head buried in the ground (or some other place).

Absent standard test artifacts, employers are going to have to use a different approach to sort out the capable from the incapable. Expect lengthy "probation" and regular assessments to determine if an employee gets to remain or hit the bricks.

65 posted on 05/31/2021 4:40:18 PM PDT by Myrddin
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The first midterm exam is an unforgiving experience. You're either good enough to score in the top 10% of the classroom or not. If you're getting a C or less, the prospects for continuing are low.

In one of my "junior" year biochem exams, we had a 98% and 99% score, a 42% and 46% score with the balance in the range of 89% to 92%. The parties with 42% and 46% have poor prospects for remaining for another quarter.

66 posted on 05/31/2021 4:47:27 PM PDT by Myrddin
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Goody. Because I want a heart surgeon that was passed through medical school for equity.


67 posted on 05/31/2021 4:51:57 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes.)
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More dumbing down of education in order to accommodate disparities in outcomes by race. See this chart from nces.ed.gov on degrees conferred by race: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/pdf/coe_svc.pdf

Figures are from 2015. Notably:

- Blacks account for 13.6% of associate degrees, which overrepresents their proportion of the population by 8%

- Blacks account for 10.2% of bachelors degrees, which underrepresents their proportion of the population by 19%

- Blacks account for 11.5% of Masters degrees, which underrepresents their proportion of the population by 9%

- Blacks account for 7.4% of Doctor degrees, which underrepresents their proportion of the population by 59%

Would be more illuminating to distinguish by type of degree, but it seems to me that this chart identifies clearly that there is a core group of high-achieving black students who were prepared to go on to graduate degrees, while a larger portion of black students either were not qualified for or were unable to complete Associate and Bachelor degrees.

In other words, they should never have been passed along through high school in the 1st place. (And that with high high school drop-out rates already.)


68 posted on 05/31/2021 4:59:18 PM PDT by nicollo (I said no!)
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The dumbing down continues !!!!!!’


69 posted on 05/31/2021 5:26:55 PM PDT by bantam
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Beyond ironic. I read that standardized tests were started years ago because kids from the more prestigious prep schools and high schools were given preferences in college admissions. Standardized testing was started to give the kids from less prestigious schools a way to demonstrate that their aptitude and achievement was equal to those from more prestigious schools.

It was a means to measure all applicants by one standard and achieve more fair admission standards.

But fairness is not what’s wanted these days.


70 posted on 05/31/2021 5:39:41 PM PDT by Will88 (The only people opposing voter ID are those benefiting from voter fraud.)
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Standardized Test multiple choice question #666:
You can reduce disparities in academic performance by:
A. destroying high performance.
B. destroying medium performance.
C. eliminating all measurement of academic performance.
D. hating, punishing, assaulting, and ostracizing academic achievement so high, medium, and barely capable performers hide all remnants of achievement.
E. rewarding stupidity, sloth, and low character.
F. all of the above.


71 posted on 05/31/2021 6:21:59 PM PDT by Chewbarkah
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I had a third year course in structural design in engineering school. I got a 55% on the midterm exam. It was the third-highest grade in a class of about 20. I improved to a 70% for the final and managed to pass the course with a C.

Engineering school was a miserable experience.

72 posted on 05/31/2021 7:46:20 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("And once in a night I dreamed you were there; I canceled my flight from going nowhere.")
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To: norwaypinesavage

School of mines?


73 posted on 05/31/2021 7:53:14 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Voter ID for 2020!! Leftists totalitarian fascists appear to be planning to eradicate conservatives)
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To: blam

Won’t reduce, just hide it.


74 posted on 05/31/2021 7:54:42 PM PDT by meyer (I swear to protect and defend the Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic!)
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To: norwaypinesavage

I knew of an nursing program that only took the top 2 percent into its school. And only graduated 50%.

Their grads were known and in high demand all over the eastern seaboard.


75 posted on 05/31/2021 8:03:48 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Voter ID for 2020!! Leftists totalitarian fascists appear to be planning to eradicate conservatives)
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Future employers who will automatically reject many because of their shoddy resumes will ask questions of those that get past the front door and will be further filtered by the way they speak and behave and dress let alone having real qualifications.


76 posted on 05/31/2021 8:41:17 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (I need more money. )
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To: Rurudyne

It is a high school in Baltimore.


77 posted on 05/31/2021 8:55:26 PM PDT by DeweyCA ( )
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That’s what I recall originally being reported. But the other fellow said it was a particular arts school (which could also be considered a high school) so I figured he’d come across more info.


78 posted on 05/31/2021 9:33:27 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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Difficult to read through these articles without being incensed and in disbelief we’ve arrived to this dystopian nightmare.


79 posted on 06/01/2021 12:56:12 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: thecodont

Yeah; I was thinking about 2nd or 3rd grade for the inner city.


80 posted on 06/01/2021 1:01:36 AM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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