Posted on 05/04/2021 8:12:47 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
After what the Soviets did to the Ukraine, it makes perfect sense.
A bunch of Ukrainians actually crossed over to the Nazi side at one point. I don’t fully understand the history. ............... Maybe Stalin’s treatment of them in the 20’s and 30’s may have something to do with it? It seems there were many like them in all the eastern countries that were part of the Empire taken over by the communists. They were dealing with 2 Devils, and went with the enemy of my enemy is my friend, until he becomes my sole enemy. Ukraine was mostly farm land, and they were forced to become collective via extreme brutal punishment that resulted in many deaths via starvation, deportation to a much cooler climate and strait out murder. When the Germans arrived, they were considered liberators, anything was better than the communists. After Stalingrad the tide turned and the Russians conscripted the Ukrainians into the Soviet forces. I don’t think the Ukrainians considered themselves as Nazis, they were just anti Communists and considered themselves as freedom fighters. I never taught that block of instruction, but I have spoken to many Ukranians who were survivors, as a kid we lived near a Kulak neighborhood. There were many stories out there.
That must be why some of the militias they sent east after the coup were named after nazi units, used the wolfsagel emblem, and used the name of Dirlewanger.
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/06/12/u-s-house-admits-nazi-role-in-ukraine/
Not a great way to get the EU or the USA on you side...
Some of those who remained welcomed the German invasion in 1941 and collaborated closely with them for the next three years or so.
Like many of the peoples in Eastern Europe, caught between Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany, there was no good choice for the Ukrainians.
There are many history books on the events leading up to the German invasion in 1941 and the war years, describing the horrible fate of a nation caught between two totalitarian powers. However, if one does not want to plough through tomes of history books, but still want to understand what these events meant to those caught up in them I must recommend this book:
Hell's mouth: Confessions of Count Nepomuk
Stuff of nightmares, but a fantastic read - and a true story!
Nazis Ukrainians were just as barbaric as German Nazis. After the war Stalin, tried to exterminate them all but the legacy did not die.
There are those with a Nazi past in modern Ukraine today the one that Joe Biden and family love to love.
The history on this can be followed by the motivations. Don’t forget that Stalin was buddies with Hilter, before Hitler invaded Russian- then Stalin begged to be an Allie- and our Commie types in State pushed this idea, and we supported the bastard— so there is a lot of propaganda still being turned out by State Dept to this day.
See: Stalin’s and Lenin’s Holodomor prior to WWII, destroying the entire food production in the Ukraine, seizing the grain and seed stocks (by NKVD secret police) and deliberate starving to death of 20 million Ukrainians.
When the Nazi forces cleared out the Soviets in the Ukraine, the survivors of the Holodomor (who were all being forced to work on Stalin’s failing huge Communist “cooperative” slave labor farms) were happy to be liberated by the Germans, who returned the system to individual farms/production (which put food on their own tables). Welcomed them.There were German Army units created from these people— including White Russian (anti-Soviet) Don Cossacks and their leaders.
Those Cossacks and Russians were described by the Communist Soviets as fascists- those who had fought the Allies (ie. the Soviets) partnered to the Axis powers. However, the repatriations included non-combatant civilians as well. The Cossacks who fought the Allies did not see their war service as treason to the Russian motherland, but a continuation of the fight against the Russian Revolution of 1917 — their continuing fight against the Communist Government in Moscow and against Bolshevism in general.
When the Allies “liberated” the Ukraine (Stalins troops were on the Soviet side of the border, and let Brit/US do the work clearing out the German Army)-—Churchill and FDR gave up the Ukrainians to Stalin— US troops put them on trains to the border in Lienz, Austria where they watched the Soviets hang them and shoot them the minute they got off the trains- lots of eye witnesses who were horrified.
The German Nazis came into Ukraine and murdered 100s of thousands of these survivors, and they targeted the jews that remained, and any Bolsheviks pro-Stalin (the ones who were running the huge farm labor camps)- again the Stalin survivors were all for getting rid of the Stalinist thugs.
In the “repatriation” agreed to by Churchill and FDR:
Two White Russian Don Cossack leaders were murdered by NKVD under Stalin’s orders: Ataman (the Hetman) Pavlov, and General Peter Krasnov— Soviets had been waiting since 1918 to get these Cossacks.
Here is the story of the sellout written by the current titular head of the Tolstoy family, Nikolai Tolstoy.
FDR was on his way out of the world, having mini-strokes when at Yalta and went along with Churchill (advised by Stalin’s agents in his cabinet- Alger Hiss & Harry Hopkins, proven):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victims_of_Yalta
Read up what Stalin and the Bolsheviks did to the Ukraine and it will make sense. Half of the Ukraine ended up in Siberia and the other half was starved to death. No love lost between Ukraine and Moscow.
>>And we have plenty of the same type here in America today that would happily do the same work.<<
They are known as Demonicrats.
Wait till the world knows the whole story of what happened in China when Mao and the Commies took over in 1948.
Ikraine declared independence from Bolshevik Russia in Dec 1917. They even had their own peace delegation at Brest Litovsk in early 1918. There was a separate separatist movement in the east in Donetsk. (Sound familiar). I think at 1 point there were 5 separate Ukranian “governments during 1917-1921. Between the Bolsheviks, moderate reds (SRs), greens (nationalists, whites, and Poles Kyiv changed hands 16 times. Also there was the black anarchists under Makhno north of Crimea. The Russian Civil War was the opening shot against Ukraine.
I think that those were mainly Galicians. Galicia was separate from the Ukraine proper.
>starving to death of 20 million Ukrainians.
Actually, modern estimates stated over 3 million. Still a lot of people.
If you’re still pushing the old Russkie BS about the Ukrainians being a bunch of Nazis, then your IQ is so low I would recommend euthanasia.
>> sparking condemnation from around the world
While the condemnation is certainly warranted, no other mass-murdering historical thug is condemned — Hell, Mao is celebrated as a visionary.
#37 ^^^
Stalin was Georgian. Khruschev, Brezhnev and Chernenko Ukrainians.
It was a different shade of gray but the Ukrainians sided with the Nazis because under them, they might live. Under Stalin their chances of living were allot less.
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