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Biden team may partner with private firms to surveil suspected domestic terrorists online
CNN ^ | 05 03 2021 | Zachary Cohen and Katie Bo Williams

Posted on 05/03/2021 1:06:25 PM PDT by yesthatjallen

The Biden administration is considering using outside firms to track extremist chatter by Americans online, an effort that would expand the government's ability to gather intelligence but could draw criticism over surveillance of US citizens.

The Department of Homeland Security is limited in how it can monitor citizens online without justification and is banned from activities like assuming false identities to gain access to private messaging apps used by extremist groups such as the Proud Boys or Oath Keepers. Instead, federal authorities can only browse through unprotected information on social media sites like Twitter and Facebook and other open online platforms.

The plan being discussed inside DHS, according to multiple sources, would, in effect, allow the department to circumvent those limits. A source familiar with the effort said it is not about decrypting data but rather using outside entities who can legally access these private groups to gather large amounts of information that could help DHS identify key narratives as they emerge.

By partnering with research firms who have more visibility in this space, the DHS could produce information that would likely be beneficial to both it and the FBI, which can't monitor US citizens in this way without first getting a warrant or having the pretext of an ongoing investigation. The CIA and NSA are also limited on collecting intelligence domestically.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antisecurity; biden; bidenadm; dhs; domesticterror; jan6; neanderthaljoe; surveillance; whosincontrol
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1 posted on 05/03/2021 1:06:25 PM PDT by yesthatjallen
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To: yesthatjallen

That means US!.....................


2 posted on 05/03/2021 1:07:39 PM PDT by Red Badger (Jesus said there is no marriage in Heaven. That's why they call it Heaven.....................)
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To: yesthatjallen
Wait until the Supreme Court hears about this plan! … oops, I forgot … oh nevermind.

3 posted on 05/03/2021 1:08:33 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (Working like Crazy to support the Lazy.)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

TEAM SCROTUS would PUNT!


4 posted on 05/03/2021 1:10:35 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing (Get off my back for my usage of CAPS, especially you snowflake males! MAN UP!)
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To: yesthatjallen

So ... anyone with a registered gun?


5 posted on 05/03/2021 1:10:52 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("I see you did something -- why you so racist?")
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To: yesthatjallen

The Patriot Act was just a foot in the door.


6 posted on 05/03/2021 1:12:14 PM PDT by Fido969 ( Sc)
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To: yesthatjallen

But of course. Of course “white supremacists”, as Biden discussed in his “spectacular” speech, are the major threat to our security nowadays.


7 posted on 05/03/2021 1:12:26 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Red Badger

WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA DO NOT WANT BIG BROTHER SPYING ON US LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS...EVER!!


8 posted on 05/03/2021 1:12:59 PM PDT by Stayfree (FlushCuomo.com is for sale!!!!)
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To: Red Badger

Yep...


9 posted on 05/03/2021 1:15:25 PM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: yesthatjallen

Keep it up


10 posted on 05/03/2021 1:15:30 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (Q)
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To: Red Badger

If they are talking about ‘doing’ this, then they are already doing this.


11 posted on 05/03/2021 1:18:27 PM PDT by BlackbirdSST
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To: yesthatjallen
Buried in the article;

"DHS officials maintain the materials provided would only consist of broad summaries or analysis of narratives that are emerging on these sites and would not be used to target specific individuals."

And that's the money quote. That's exactly the intent. More from DHS officials:

"Seat belts will NEVER be a primary offense for traffic stops"
"The Patriot Act will never be abused"
"Epstein committed suicide"
"Joe Biden is the most popular president ever"
"Trust the government"

12 posted on 05/03/2021 1:20:34 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: yesthatjallen

But not Antifa or BLM of course.


13 posted on 05/03/2021 1:25:04 PM PDT by jdsteel ("A Republic, Madam, if you can keep it." Sorry Ben, looks like we blew it.)
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To: yesthatjallen
Since 9/11 all telephone calls are monitored for "key words" that trip a recording for tracing.. I suspect there is something like that for texts and on line... We live in 1984 .. Alexa listens to everyword said in your house, your phone she also listens to your conversations and it does not even need to be turned on.. My daughter and granddaughter had a "private" conversation about female products.. with in a short time they got email ads for them .. If you want a truely private conversation you need to leave all electronics in your home and go into your yard..I dont even think that is "safe"

I was telling a friend this and her reply was way too typical.. "well I am not doing anything illegal so I dont care" ..The sheeple don t get it folks..

14 posted on 05/03/2021 1:25:50 PM PDT by Sonshinegirl
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To: yesthatjallen

The government has always done that. All governments have always done that. Government intrusion influenced the writers of our Bill of Rights.

This announcement only means it has been advanced to a new level. It probably means that thinking/communicating unapproved thoughts is now considered terrorism. Any and everything has been labeled hate so the sharp edge of that has worn off. Need something new.


15 posted on 05/03/2021 1:25:58 PM PDT by odawg
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To: Sonshinegirl

In America, Television watches you.


16 posted on 05/03/2021 1:26:59 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

I have read that as well... so does your computer.. you need to cover the cameras


17 posted on 05/03/2021 1:29:40 PM PDT by Sonshinegirl
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To: Tench_Coxe

“Seat belts will NEVER be a primary offense for traffic stops”
“The Patriot Act will never be abused”
“Epstein committed suicide”
“Joe Biden is the most popular president ever”
“Trust the government”

Honest, we won’t send 100 armed jackboots to knock your front door down at 5:00 AM without warning!


18 posted on 05/03/2021 1:32:40 PM PDT by Stayfree (FlushCuomo.com is for sale!!!!)
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To: yesthatjallen

Constitutional and civil rights lawyers welcomed to comment.

Do private entities working for the feds subject to EO 12333 and all amendments and/or later incarnations if it is used to supports some sort of ‘counterintelligence’ investigation? Does this open the door to all sorts of ‘evidence gathering’ or other searches and seizures of data without the owner’s/creator’s knowledge the data is being gathered? Perhaps data you willingly give away under an EULA is not protected (or is it?). Are call data records kept by cell providers fair game to these private entities without needing a warrant or any kind of probable cause? Does this private help extend to electronic monitoring of any type (voice, key loggers, etc.) without the need of a FISA court warrant?

Tinfoil hat wearers wanna know,

Regards


19 posted on 05/03/2021 1:35:22 PM PDT by Sine_Pari ( )
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To: yesthatjallen

“Domestic terrorist” used to mean something back in the day.

Don’t mean squat today given it is largely subjective based now. I don’t like you? Domestic Terrorist. I don’t like your political ideology? Domestic terrorist. I don’t like your religion? Domestic terrorist. Don’t kowtow to my ideological beliefs, etc.? Domestic terrorist. Voted for Trump? Domestic terrorist. Don’t like #notmypresident BidenIdiot? Domestic terrorist.

See how this works in the labeling or designating of “domestic terrorist’? Unreal.


20 posted on 05/03/2021 1:36:16 PM PDT by cranked
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