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Truckers fall under California gig economy law, appeals court rules
KTLA.com ^ | 04/28/21 | Associated Press

Posted on 04/29/2021 11:10:43 AM PDT by eyeamok

The ruling is “a massive victory for California’s truck drivers, who for far too long have faced exploitation and misclassification at the hands of trucking companies that place corporate profit ahead of drivers’ safety and well-being,” the International Brotherhood of Teamsters said in a statement.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: associatedpress; caitlynjenner; california; endingemployment; endingwork; gavinnewsom; gigeconomy; jimmykimmel; righttowork; teamsters; truckers; trucking
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To: TonyinLA
I see. Thanks!

For the mandatory rest period issue, I'm not talking about "driver logs." I'm referring to the electronic logging devices that are now mandated on all commercial vehicles and have their data directly downloaded at inspection stations and by Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration officials doing safety audits of trucking companies.

41 posted on 04/29/2021 12:44:10 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("And once in a night I dreamed you were there; I canceled my flight from going nowhere.")
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To: FreshPrince

Well, because during last year, and even into this, at the height of Covid, many older truckers retired.

And young fellas have to pass rigorous drug screening to get a commercial license.

And the pay isn’t seeing a rise (at least yet), so not many newcomers want to do this.

Maybe we could rely on Mexican truckers, and Syrian and Somalia refugee truckers to drive the trucks Americans don’t want to!


42 posted on 04/29/2021 12:46:32 PM PDT by Alas Babylon! ("You, the American people, are my only special interest." --President Donald J. Trump)
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To: eyeamok

Correct.

This will cause a nearly immediate and far reaching effect on every commercial enterprise in the state.

Extreme price increases and shortages of everything.

That’s why the USSC will grant an immediate stay until they hear the case and overturn it.


43 posted on 04/29/2021 1:02:59 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: FreshPrince

There’s an oversupply of operators willing to break even.

This will be of benefit to very large carriers, and whatever drivers are left.

And it will crush what my dad used to call the “jip-pos”, a pejorative coined by the Teamsters.

A Teamsters driving job is a very good job.

Because everybody in the society has to kick in a little...


44 posted on 04/29/2021 1:11:41 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Boogieman

“Will they still think it’s a massive victory when they lose their jobs?”

10-15% are certain to lose.


45 posted on 04/29/2021 1:13:06 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: TonyinLA

“As a result 90% of the trucks on CA roads are driven by a foreign national”

Bullshit.

That’s a lie and you know it.


46 posted on 04/29/2021 1:17:55 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: VTenigma

Does the Fed OTR set the rates? Dont think so.

Again if the regulations cost me x amount per mile I should be able to charge over that to make a profit when demand is high. When demand is low I could see how regs would put the squeeze on the business. Its not the case.


47 posted on 04/29/2021 1:18:22 PM PDT by FreshPrince (P )
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To: FreshPrince

The OTR regulations certainly do influence rates and profit margins.


48 posted on 04/29/2021 1:21:09 PM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged )
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To: EBH

Yep. It’s a comin’.


49 posted on 04/29/2021 2:17:10 PM PDT by FamiliarFace
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To: FreshPrince

I don’t believe the LTL carriers — union or non-union — are having trouble filling positions, although they are always looking for good, dependable workers.


50 posted on 04/29/2021 2:54:00 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: Alberta's Child

A lot of Indian Nationals run trucks


51 posted on 04/29/2021 3:41:01 PM PDT by kaktuskid
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To: Boogieman

Are owner/operators also Teamsters?


52 posted on 04/29/2021 5:20:07 PM PDT by arthurus ( covfefe tuuu)
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To: eyeamok

Let us see how this works out for California. Actions have consequences.


53 posted on 04/30/2021 5:58:42 AM PDT by cuban leaf (We killed our economy and damaged our culture. In 2021 we will pine for the salad days of 2020.)
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To: FreshPrince

Frankly, I think we should be using a lot more rail. Especially between China and the US. :D

I’m 67 and have been in IT most of my life. I thought it might be fun to do a bit of truck driving for extra cash and retire from IT.

Then I saw the regulation hoops drivers have to jump through. Not interested. It is insane.

Here is a fun one: If you have driven across the country to deliver a load and you are one mile from your destination, but you have hit your maximum driving for the day, you are required to stop and rest, NOW. And failing to do so can bring draconian consequences.

Nope.


54 posted on 04/30/2021 6:04:33 AM PDT by cuban leaf (We killed our economy and damaged our culture. In 2021 we will pine for the salad days of 2020.)
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To: bort

The way this affected musicians is criminal. If you are in a local band and want to play in a particular bar or park event, normally you come to an agreement with the venue and they pay you after the event, like a person may pay a plumber.

But now, even for a single gig, they have to become an “employee” of the venue, and it requires all the hassle and paperwork that represents. So they don’t bother except for major acts.

That is an oversimplified description, but you get the Gist. It just horribly complicates things to the point that it’s just not worth it, leaving us with only employee/employer relationships surviving.


55 posted on 04/30/2021 6:10:00 AM PDT by cuban leaf (We killed our economy and damaged our culture. In 2021 we will pine for the salad days of 2020.)
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To: cuban leaf

yeah thats nuts.

agree Rail is lot more efficient use of resources, but I would think the speed or lack therof is the limiting factor unforutnatly


56 posted on 04/30/2021 6:29:09 AM PDT by FreshPrince (P )
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To: FreshPrince

...but I would think the speed or lack therof is the limiting factor unforutnatly.


Especially in our JIT world. (Just In Time)

But cost matters too. When I’m driving across flyover country and see a massively long freight train with double stacked containers, I start doing the “how many truck drivers would that take” math and am shocked.

But as self driving vehicles become common, I think this will become moot. I envision a world where the “long haul” part of a truck’s route will be automated, and the truck will pull into a large parking lot facility in its destination where a real driver will take over on “non-freeway” roads.

So, a real driver would pick up the load and drive to a local “transfer” facility, where the truck will continue on from there on its own, to the destination transfer station, where another human will take it the rest of the way to the local final destination. Probably even involve different cabs for the pickup and delivery and a self driving cab for the freeway section. It could also involve special fuel facilities for self driving only. They could also have much larger fuel tanks.


57 posted on 04/30/2021 6:36:01 AM PDT by cuban leaf (We killed our economy and damaged our culture. In 2021 we will pine for the salad days of 2020.)
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To: cuban leaf
Rail is simply obsolete.

Rail can not deliver nor receive at factories and businesses that have started up or moved to rural America

Back in the 70's, Railway Express closed shop and moved from the depot to a vacant storefront next door to my business. After a month or so they offered to pay me for every shipment I handled. There were almost none and they were fruit trees.

Hundai Alabama

Volkswagen Tennessee

Lisega plant in tennessee.....smaller but very typical of small manufacturers all over the scouth

58 posted on 04/30/2021 6:43:24 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) History: Pelosi was pitiful vindictive California crone)
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To: cuban leaf

Yeah I thought the same thing — all those semis needed. I would agree with your prognostications...time will tell I guess


59 posted on 04/30/2021 7:11:22 AM PDT by FreshPrince (P )
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To: FreshPrince

What’s kind of interesting is that, really, that is kinda what has happened with rail-to-truck for many decades, except for businesses that actually have a rail line loading facility at their location.


60 posted on 04/30/2021 7:13:59 AM PDT by cuban leaf (We killed our economy and damaged our culture. In 2021 we will pine for the salad days of 2020.)
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