Posted on 04/16/2021 9:34:15 AM PDT by ebb tide
Phase 3 is ongoing. You are part of it.
“Realistically there is not a “trade-off” between safety and efficacy. Safety comes first. That’s why Phase 1 clinical trials do not measure efficacy. Even in Phase 2 clinical trials, efficacy measurement is only done as a side effort to ensure that the Phase 3 clinical trials are worth conducting. FDA doesn’t much care what your Phase 2 clinical trials say about efficacy; they’ll investigate that in your Phase 3 trial data. You don’t move from Phase 1 to Phase 2 without safety approvals and you don’t move from Phase 2 to Phase 3 without safety approvals.”
So babbling about Phase 3, without showing such things as
number of participatns
age/comorbidities/sex
evidence of antibodies to Covid at time of vaccination
size of experiment, control, time and event delineating randomization
and so forth, for Phases 1 and 2
Isn't necessarily meaningful.
All the more so as what is being alleged, is that widespread human safety tests were not performed, given that the drug was released to the public ("to market") as the prior poster said, under an Emergency Use Authorization.
So what are the Phase 1 and 2 numbers of people and so forth?
For each major manufacturer's offering of a jab?
Molecularly the mrna is a single strand of dna nucleotides, the protein spikes and antibodies it produces are not. So, mathematically speaking, it is aquiring nucleotides from somewhere.
If it isn’t, how does it go from 1 strand to 2. This is biology 100, everyone knows it and yet, they are willing to bow the knee in massive numbers.
Did you even read the article?!?
Name calling, hysterical justification, juvenile accusations.....All indications of a misguided personality without legitimate facts to back up his witless opinions.
Yes, I HAVE read the article you posted but we are/were discussing the vaccine NOT the virus itself.
Perhaps you might work on your own reading comprehension Einstein before accusing people of being “wrong” and “unable to read”
I’m not an “anti-vaxxer”, but that settled the issue for me, at least for the time being.
“If the one can, then in principle so can the other.”
That is a monumental leap of ill informed speculation an NO ONE with ANY credibility whatsoever has made that assertion.
The only proof you have of ANYTHING you have said is that your name calling proves you have an extremely weak argument.
“Your assertion was that “mRNA CANNOT be incorporated into the DNA.”
That IS NOT what I said and you know it.
Now go crawl back under your rock cannot have a meaningful discussion discuss with an unhinged name calling hateful excuse for a Freeper such as yourself.
Here's a literal quote from you upthread:
Sorry, I’m not the one making the imbecilic claim that mRNA vaccines “change the structure of DNA”, you and your ilk are. So it’s up to you to “prove” those ridiculous claims. Only you can’t because it’s a an unfounded, ill informed, nonsensical assertion with absolutely NO foundation in fact.
Yes, you mentioned vaccines; but you then overstated by ending with 'nonsensical assertion with NO foundation in fact.'
The Harvard/MIT results do show that it is possible for COVID-19 mRNA to be incorporated into DNA.
So it isn't "nonsensical" and "NO foundation in fact" -- at most, so far, you can say "it hasn't yet been observed."
Which then ties into my statements in my earlier posts, which posts offended you so much, you had them deleted.
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Although we had probably become conditioned to media hostility to Trump and all things conservative, the unreasonable hype about this virus stuff has been way over the top.
In my circle conservatives remain largely skeptical of media on both the virus and the vaccine, liberals are all in. As the posted article points out, ridiculing a questioning or differing view with "the science is settled" should be a red flag to most Freepers.
I have to agree with you quite completely.
Although we had probably become conditioned to media hostility to Trump and all things conservative, the unreasonable hype about this virus stuff has been way over the top.
In my circle conservatives remain largely skeptical of media on both the virus and the vaccine, liberals are all in. As the posted article points out, ridiculing a questioning or differing view with “the science is settled” should be a red flag to most Freepers.
Thanks for the comment. Have a nice evening!
Amen to your post, dear F56v2!!
And, I also agree w/WhoIsAlan’s spot on comment, related to your excellent post....
In my circle conservatives remain largely skeptical of media on both the virus and the vaccine, liberals are all in.
As the posted article points out, ridiculing a questioning or differing view with “the science is settled” should be a red flag to most Freepers.
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Bravo to you, both!
Wow, thanks!
Sometimes they changed my mind, sometimes I just didn't understand that viewpoint, and sometimes it just pissed me off. But I've always thought keeping the conversation civil was good for all, especially for JimRob's forum.
Thank you, WIAG. To you, as well.
And, God bless FR...a true blessing, indeed.
You are overlooking the salient point. This is not like the vaccines you got in the Military. This is an experimental biological agent.
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