Posted on 04/16/2021 9:34:15 AM PDT by ebb tide
Tend to agree. And many people forget that.
You are most correct.
“Will that make the dead feel better to know they were just a few anomolies?”
Stop with the stupidity! These are not 3000 deaths CAUSED by the vaccine. Just 3000 deaths that took place WITH the vaccine. It is the COVID scam in reverse, where dying WITH COVID was considered dying BECAUSE of COVID.
3000 people dying out of 125 million just means no one lives forever. It says NOTHING about the vaccine.
“The data for harm from smoking is vastly stronger than the data for harm from the vaccine. “
Yes, and why is that? BECAUSE ENOUGH TIME PASSED TO AQUIRE THAT DATA. Too late though for for many who thought smoking was safe back in the day. So the main point is saying X number took the vaccine and are doing just fine so no problem is just pure ignorance.
“Yes, and why is that? BECAUSE ENOUGH TIME PASSED TO AQUIRE THAT DATA.”
Nope! The harm of smoking was noticed long before that. “Coffin Nails” was first used to describe cigarettes in the 1890s. As early as 1868, this tobacco ad ran:
“THE YACHT CLUB SMOKING TOBACCO is made of the best smoking leaf in the world, after an original process exclusively our own, whereby ALL POISONOUS NICOTINE IS EXTRACTED.”
You are factually wrong.
Perhaps more to the point, we need to make decisions based on what it is possible to know. We cannot refuse to take any vaccine for 50 years because 50 years later something bad MIGHT appear. We would have no medicine at all if we had to test all medicines for 50 years before releasing them!
Brilliant observation there Mr. Rogers.
No it is not. It is not a traditional vaccine. It’s the first mass produced treatment with this technology. Is what I said correct or wrong?
Incorrect. Statistics / probability’s are clear that it would be wise not to put all eggs in one basket.
Your spewing hyperbole BS. There is every reason to hedge all bets. No matter the probabilities.
I see most of the logical lemmings have run off the cliff. Has the wise DR weighed in?
“Your spewing hyperbole BS.”
Actually, I’m using reason. We never test ANY medicine or vaccine for 50 years of potential side effects before using. That would be incredibly stupid.
And if YOU don’t want to take the vaccine, DON’T. I don’t care. But don’t insist no one else in America gets to take the vaccine because you don’t want to!
80% of Arizonans over the age 64 have taken the vaccine. As a group, they’re doing fine. But old bastards are tough bastards, so I guess we ought to expect the elderly to handle the vaccine so well!
I don’t care what you do. Just don’t expect people who come to a different conclusion to bow to your superior logic. The treatment is not a vaccine and it isn’t approved. End of discussion. Your in one life boat and I am in another. No changing at this point.
Another note. China published the virus DNA January 11. Morderna recruited for human trials February 25. Really. 6 weeks. You think that is reasonable, prudent, logical, safe. BTW China pulled the DNA before Feb 25. They said opps. I don’t trust China either. Fauchi has patents and financial interests in Morderna vaccine. Reason seems weak.
The hyperbole was the 50 year test requirement. Animal trials would have been nice. Children, mothers, old were not in the clinical phase 1/2; Your reasons are flawed.
I have never asserted that mRNA vaccines are necessarily “traditional vaccines” so I really have no idea wtf you are talking about.
They have been studied since 1989 and been around eliciting strong immunization for rabies, Zika virus, influenza etc. for a decade.
You’re wrong.
Didn’t you read
Quote: A new study by researchers from Whitehead Institute for Biomedical Research-Cambridge, Wyss Institute for Biologically Inspired Engineering-Harvard University, Department of Biology-Massachusetts Institute of Technology and the John A. Paulson School of Engineering and Applied Sciences-Harvard University have alarmingly discovered that the SARS-CoV-2 RNA is reverse-transcribed and integrated into the human genome.
Go bugger yourself. Your making mass hyperbole and trying to play both sides. Your so studied since 1989. Wow A cutting edge virologist/geneticist in our midst. I bow down to the infinite wisdom of your vast study.
EUA / no animal studies / no old / no children / no mothers or pregnancy / immunodeficiency/ or other risk groups in the phase 1/2 trials. You are part of phase 3. This treatment would never get mass distribution in any other time in history and I expect in the future.
BTW - what are our adversaries doing? They are taking the 0.5% hit. You think China, Russia, Iran ... are just stupid, lazy idiots? Or do you think strategically, aka not worried about Karens / Chads care when it comes to global trades. My guess is your at least 65 years old. The age of risk, reward, psychology that looks past the EUA / trials and claim to be reasoned. I don’t fault you until the moral all in or all out with special preference for the all in group.
I will put my knowledge against you “studies” with 1000:1 odds any day.
Feel free to bang your head agains the wall. Neither of us will relent. I will not feed your ego again. Your wrong - that’s ok, your arrogant - that is somewhat dangerous, your play moral/intellectual superiority to influence others - that’s flat outright morally incomprehensible.
“Children, mothers, old were not in the clinical phase 1/2; Your reasons are flawed.”
Hmmm.... what about phse 3?
“A review of unblinded reactogenicity data from the final analysis which consisted of a randomized subset of at least 8,000 participants 18 years and older in the phase 2/3 study demonstrates that the vaccine was well tolerated, with most solicited adverse events resolving shortly after vaccination.....
The Phase 3 clinical trial of BNT162b2 began on July 27 and has enrolled 43,661 participants to date, 41,135 of whom have received a second dose of the vaccine candidate as of November 13, 2020. Approximately 42% of global participants and 30% of U.S. participants have racially and ethnically diverse backgrounds, and 41% of global and 45% of U.S. participants are 56-85 years of age. A breakdown of the diversity of clinical trial participants can be found here from approximately 150 clinical trials sites in United States, Germany, Turkey, South Africa, Brazil and Argentina. The trial will continue to collect efficacy and safety data in participants for an additional two years.”
Children were not looked at and the initial release didn’t authorize them. Mothers and the old were looked at, with the elderly overrepresented in samples, both in phase 2 and phase 3.
It’s almost like they question their decision therefore want the rest of us in the same boat. I can always get the vaccine or another version but they cannot undue their irrational fear. They ran to the front of the line. Now if anyone points out the concerns, the say no concern your stupid - quit being stupid and join us on the all or nothing approach. Very illogical.
I would expect with an EUA / aka experiment - they would want multiple control groups by design or via social/intellectual design. Nooooo. You must jump into the risk group they are in rather than understanding/accepting a different risk control group.
Crazy, ignorant, selfish, scared, brainwashed, ... what is driving this delusional response?
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