Posted on 04/15/2021 7:58:59 AM PDT by Red Badger
Damn! It hurts me to have to be in the position of rooting against the USA.
Just like Ovomit, threaten like crazy, e.g. Ovomit’s red line, which meant nothing, and then when confronted, slink away like a dog with it’s tail between it’s legs. Sure didn’t take long for the U. S. of A to sink into “nothingness”.
Escalation, the opposite of backing down.
Absolutely. What idiots thought that a couple of Destroyers in the Black Sea would effect anything? Except get held hostage.
Sure, but politicians are entirely two faced. The Ukraine was stupid to believe the promises.
The Xiden Junta is a global laughing stock and it will get worse
Fair point, but we also 'guaranteed' that new countries would not be admitted to NATO such that its borders would advance towards the Russian Federation. Since then, we have instead aggressively expanded NATO, attempting to effectively surround the RF. This expanded NATO of course, needs to justify its existence, and is continuously stationing troops and big time weapons as close to the Russian border as possible. However, since NATO are the 'good guys' these positions are undoubtably 'defensive' in nature, so thus cannot be questioned.
The thought experiment I like to do is to pretend I am Vladimir Putin, and Russia is my country. How would I react to certain situations to ensure my country's national security. It turns out that if you really reason through it, most of what Putin does is pretty normal.
As an example, let's look at the Crimea situation. Ukraine was in the midst of the Maidan coup. The constitution was being shredded in favor of the will of a bunch of protestors who were all hopped on cookies personally handed out by John McCain and Victoria Nuland.
Crimea (which was already an autonomous oblast, a common type of self-governing district in former Soviet countries) decided it didn't want anything to do with the Maidan BS. Simultaneously, the coup government decided that it wanted to revoke the Russian long-term lease of Sevastopol (the only Russian warm-water port and the home of the Black Sea fleet).
Putin was faced with a choice: 1) allow Russia to lose their port to a lawless mob that was obviously incited by foreign powers, or 2) take advantage of the fact that the Crimeans were pissed off and keep the port, plus make a lot of people in Crimea happy. He chose the best route for Russian national security, #2. Since the Ukrainian constitution had already been shredded by the coup, this wasn't any more or less legal than anything else that went on. I would have done the same, and to have done anything else would have been tantamount to dereliction of duty.
Conservatives may have to deliver the same message to the administration internally. To “back down for their own good”.
“I don’t like this language that is being used “Biden Backs Down”, etc. I’m not a Biden fan by any means, but Biden should have never stuck his nose into this situation to begin with. It is his fault (by giving ‘assurances’ to Ukraine) that there is even a possibility of a war occuring.”
Agreed
“Not disagreeing, but didn’t we ‘guarantee’ Ukraine’s safety/independence when they surrendered the Soviet nukes they possessed after the fall of the USSR?”
No.
Bill Clinton did.
And he never even submitted the agreement to the Senate for review. The Senate was uniformly opposed.
JoeBama and his crack head son Hunter oh, and don’t forget Romney’s former campaign manager and see eye ehhhh a@@clown, Cofer Black.... are ALL tools of the Russians.
It’s perfect... the Russians manipulated them, paid them all and now— they are back at the Ukraine. And JoeBama does not ONE F’n thing.
President Zelinsky’s phone call with Trump— the manipulated FIRST impeachment effort BASED on the President trying to find out what the former VP was doing with Ukraine— and he FOUND IT OUT, for sure.
What a lying stupidA@@ shite JoeBama is with his babysitter grifter wifey “Dr” Jill the schill who is signing his EOs, he’s so “with it” and “smart”. An absolute scum A@@ who has put the Nation in jeopardy, financially at risk and WASTING our valuable human resourcess on democrat LUNACY and the desperate need to be in Control... such that they have to import idiot illegals to “get the votes” and cheated massively (with Chi-Com help) to steal the Federal election for President. The TRUTH will out.
Chicken shite JoeBama and his Commie advisors will destroy years of good freedom loving recovery-— doing their grifter thing all over again with the Ukraine. Zelinsky?— No media is covering this brave man, and the REFORM he has been attempting with Trump’s help. No... Trump was a Russian agent— didn’t everyone learn that (from hitlery and JoeBama? and especially the obamaumao’s grifter Marxists- oh yeah, believe them). Putin has JoeBama by the balls—— NOT what the dems are still trying to push about Trump. It’s easy to own a demented moron of 78 plus who is missing part of his frontal lobe. FACT.
C'mon, Joe! Send Corn Pop over there to tell Putin what for!
Everybody but us is laughing at Biden.
The Pentagon told Biden no. They are not taking instructions from his administration.
Its funny how tough Biden was on Russia and Putin until he had a chance to do something. Like the guy in bar who pretends he wants to fight when he is surrounded by bouncers.
Fingers crossed that it indeed happened that way.
Trust me there is no chance the Pentagon is answering to an Alzheimer’s patient or his handlers.
But...but...Dr Jill! [/sarc tag off]
Bill Clinton did. And he never even submitted the agreement to the Senate for review. The Senate was uniformly opposed.
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