Posted on 03/19/2021 12:19:32 PM PDT by cotton1706
For the second year in a row, a bill that would call for an Article V convention – or “convention of states” – is making its way through the South Carolina House of Representatives. This year’s legislation – H. 3205 – cleared a House judiciary subcommittee on Thursday and is now headed to the full judiciary committee for approval.
Last year’s convention of states bill was approved by the full judiciary committee and advanced to the floor of the S.C. House. It failed to receive a vote, though, as the legislature effectively shut down during the coronavirus pandemic.
Most observers believe bill has sufficient support to pass the GOP-controlled chamber this year – as evidenced by the fact it currently has 53 sponsors (including powerful speaker of the House Jay Lucas).
Like last year’s bill, the current Article V legislation would make an application to the U.S. Congress on behalf of the S.C. General Assembly to “call an amendment convention of the states pursuant to Article V” of the U.S. Constitution.
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Why do they think a “convention of states” would be any less corrupt than the 2020 election?
Today, people understand so little about the Constitution, I think the potential harm exceeds the potential good for a Convention of States.
We don’t need to change the Constitution (except for rescinding the utterly vile 16th Amendment (income tax) and 17th Amendment (not as vile as the 16th Amendment). Fat chance, convention or no convention. And opening up a COS potentially opens up a can of worms
What is really needed is to ENFORCE the Constitution as written and originally understood and intended by DISMANTLING the 80%+ unconstitutional portion of the federal government, now our greatest enemy.
100%. They will NOT adhere to the current Constitution, they will NOT adhere to any state guidelines provided for an Article V Convention, they do NOT adhere to current laws, state or federal.
Want the 2A removed from the BoR? Keep pushing Article V. It WILL happen. If this were another time, Article V might work. In the current environment? Won't accomplish a darn thing.
...Want the 2A removed from the BoR? Keep pushing Article V. It WILL happen. If this were another time, Article V might work. In the current environment? Won't accomplish a darn thing....
BEARS REPEATING!!
They don’t follow the current constitution, you know the one they all took an oath to uphold. There is zero chance they would follow a new one unless it says only democrats can hold office, all elections will be converted to selections and they can make any rule or law just be thinking it.
It would probably accomplish a lot, but exactly as you pointed out: it wouldn’t be good.
Free speech? Sure, except for “hate speech” (you know, like the Christian Bible). Free assembly? Absolutely, except “hate assembly”, like abortion clinic protests and conservative groups at the state or Federal capitals. Second Amendment? Never heard of it. 9th? 10th amendments? Nope.
Article V is still a function of the congress, and there is no way in Hades that the congress is going to facilitate a process that removes it from the decision making process.
They will flash smoke and mirrors and make lots of heroic noise but nothing will come of it but more disappointment for conservatives.
Congress is as corrupt as the Roman Senate and will keep blundering along until the Goths kick down its doors.
Say good bye to the bill of rights.
If you haven’t figured out already, an Article V convention WILL NOT turn out well.
Even worse, we've seen how the democrat party and their allies stole the 2020 election with impunity, i.e., with the blessing of the SCOTUS, state supreme courts, AG, state AGs and FBI. Does anyone really believe that amendments that come out of a COS would be anything more than what the political elites want them to be?
IMHO a COS would create a monstrous revised Constitution.
What's needed are representatives who will enforce the current Constitution. Transforming the republican party to a constitution, America first party would seem to be the best way to get there.
It’s amazing to me to see the comments in this thread. People who are supposed to know and read the Constitution don’t even know what it says.
An Article V convention IS NOT a vehicle for rewriting the Constitution from scratch, nor can the convention just come up with a new constitution.
“On the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof...”
The convention only proposes amendments and each amendment has to be ratified by 3/4ths of the States.
So if somehow an amendment to void the Second Amendment came out of the convention, 3/4ths of the State legislatures would have to ratify it.
Moronic “itz will never workzzzz” comments that betray a fundamental lack of understanding of the whole process simply amaze me. We seem to know less about the constitution each day that passes.
In before the Birchers yell “it the end of the world!”
See tagline.
“Want the 2A removed from the BoR? Keep pushing Article V. It WILL happen. “
Please explain how such a proposed amendment would come from a COS, and which 38 states would ratify it.
I’ll wait. But you won’t actually answer the question, just your usual word salad non-answer.
There is no way that these people actually read the Constitution with the comments that they made.
In their “minds” Convention = new Constitution, because the media told them so.
They don’t understand the process at all, because they haven’t read the Constitution.
“Moronic “itz will never workzzzz” comments that betray a fundamental lack of understanding of the whole process simply amaze me. We seem to know less about the constitution each day that passes.”
It’s always the same disinformation posters.
For everyone else:. The ONLY thing that can come out of a COS are proposed amendments to the Constitution. Anything else would get tossed by courts the next day. And like Congressional proposed amendments, each one would still need to be ratified by 38 States.
Thirty. Eight. States.
The detractors never tell you which 38 states would vote for removing the 2A or change the 1st amendment, or other bad juju. Because it’s not remotely possible.
The only amendment that could absolutely be ratified right now by 38 states is Term Limits. And that would be fantastic! Perhaps Balanced Budjet, but I doubt 38 would ratify it, because SS would have to be cut in half (or more), and that’s politically radioactive.
See tagline. I’d love to see Trump push for COS. I wrote him about it.
Read Mark Levine’s book before you buy into the hysterical predictions here. Or anywhere else.
https://www.amazon.com/Liberty-Amendments-Mark-R-Levin/dp/145160632X
Why waste time with this? Rally all the Republican Governors and state legislatures, I think there’s about 30, stand together and announce that they will not abide by anything coming out of DC. Simple.
No different than any of the Dem states ignoring Pres Trump and his immigration policies.
Oh wait......those states would have to have Governors and legislatures will some backbone. My bad.
Thanks for the ping!
The problem with the combination of the 16th and 17th Amendments (16 & 17A) is this imo. Corrupt senators take advantage of low-information voters, voters who have probably never been taught about the federal government’s constitutionally limited powers, including Congress’s limited power to appropriate taxes.
"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States." —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
”From the accepted doctrine that the United States is a government of delegated powers, it follows that those not expressly granted, or reasonably to be implied from such as are conferred, are reserved to the states, or to the people. To forestall any suggestion to the contrary, the Tenth Amendment was adopted. The same proposition, otherwise stated, is that powers not granted are prohibited [emphasis added].” —United States v. Butler, 1936.
Career senators take advantage of voters by promising them all kinds of federal funding and social spending programs to get reelected, voters clueless that the states have never expressly constitutionally given the feds the specific powers to establish such programs.
”[…] the care of the property, the liberty, and the life of the citizen, under the solemn sanction of an oath imposed by your Federal Constitution, is in the States, and not in the Federal Government [emphases added].” —Rep. John Bingham, Congressional Globe, 1866. (See about middle of 3rd column.)
In fact, militia issues aside, arguably one of the main powers that the states have expressly constitutionally given to the feds to dictate peacetime domestic policy is to run the U.S. Post Service.
"Article I, Section 8, Clause 7: To establish Post Offices and post Roads;"
In other words, most federal domestic policy is wrongly based on state powers and uniquely associated state revenues that the post-17A ratification feds have stolen and continue to steal from the states.
So abuse of their 17A powers by naively electing crooks to the Senate results in citizens paying a bunch of unconstitutional federal taxes under 16A.
The bottom line is we need to get rid of both 16 & 17A.
Once unconstitutional federal taxes are stopped, along with the unconstitutional federal spending programs that are based on unconstitutional federal taxes, the federal government also infamous for its fraud and waste, then the states will ultimately find new revenues to support local and state social spending programs imo, depending on what legal majority citizen voters of a given state want.
Justice Brandeis had used his “laboratories of democracy” metaphor to explain this.
"It is one of the happy incidents of the federal system that a single courageous State may, if its citizens choose [emphasis added], serve as a laboratory; and try novel social and economic experiments without risk to the rest of the country.” —Justice Brandeis, Laboratories of democracy.
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