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China has UPPER HAND if war breaks out with USA - ‘Extremely challenging' for US military
https://www.msn.com ^ | 3/5/2021 | Simon Osborne

Posted on 03/05/2021 11:33:32 AM PST by RomanSoldier19

Neither side has the appetite for all-out war but experts fear their intense strategic competition in which both conduct carefully calculated tests of the other's resolve could spill over into violent confrontation. And US military expert Lyle Goldstein warned there was a solid chance the US could lose the first fight with the People's Liberation Army in the event of a full-on conflict.

Prof Goldstein from the Naval War College's China Maritime Studies Institute in Newport, Rhode Island, told Newsweek: "It is very plausible to say there is no guarantee of victory in the first phases."

He said scenarios for such a confrontation varied substantially but warned all "are extremely challenging" for US forces.

He said: "I think China now has adequate forces, including air, missile, electronic warfare, spec ops, naval, undersea and nuclear to likely prevail in the first phase and perhaps in subsequent phases too."

He said weaponry had a "quite important" role but said China would gain the upper hand because of its favourable geography, greater will and the willingness to strike first."

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: biden; ccp; ccppropaganda; chatforum; china; comeonman; demoralization; fakenews; military; nonsense; redchina; redchinapropaganda; xiden
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To: Seruzawa

In 1938, almost every country had the upper hand over the US, but we sure ramped up quickly.


101 posted on 03/05/2021 2:00:26 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: RomanSoldier19

Push comes to shove, China gets nuked back into the 12th century and we lose a few blue cities. And the rest of the world starves.


102 posted on 03/05/2021 2:23:28 PM PST by JimRed (TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: RomanSoldier19

...and don’t doubt they’ve notified Resident Bid*n about this should he try to intervene in their affairs.


103 posted on 03/05/2021 2:24:28 PM PST by OrangeHoof (Halftime score: COVID-19, Constitutional Freedoms - 0)
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To: RomanSoldier19

It’s not the “first fight” that wins the war. It’s the one who prevails.


104 posted on 03/05/2021 2:26:51 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: Bill of Rights FIRST

They have more spies at the university, corporate, gov’t, CIA and R&D levels, than Bayer has aspirin. We’re thoroughly infiltrated and compromised.


105 posted on 03/05/2021 2:27:18 PM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: RomanSoldier19

Why is the fight in China? Why not China attacking the US on our turf? I’m tired of being the road team.


106 posted on 03/05/2021 2:28:23 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Keep the Faith. Everything happens for a reason.)
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To: RomanSoldier19; MinuteGal

MSNBC

This is ol’ Joe’s cue to just roll over and play the coward.

Taiwan will be gone soon.

There will be a massacre in Hong Kong.

Jeez, the map looks like Japan’s takings in WWII.

And, unlike FDR, ol’ Joe will just let it happen with no response.

Can Japan and Australia be far behind?

China would never be pulling this shit if President Trump were in charge.

Never.


107 posted on 03/05/2021 2:34:48 PM PST by Peter W. Kessler ("NUTS!!!")
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To: dfwgator

If the US had not had the 2-ocean navy program & the draft — both adopted prior to American involvement — there would not have been forces that could simultaneously land troops in French North Africa and push the Japanese out of the Solomon Islands in 1942. I’m not certain that the war would have played out the way it did. The peace-time draft passed by a single-vote.


108 posted on 03/05/2021 2:37:09 PM PST by Tallguy
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To: RomanSoldier19

It will be a short war and China will lose. No one will side with China. All of Asia will oppose them. Not only that, every Chinese military person killed will be an only child. The nation will rebel.


109 posted on 03/05/2021 2:39:02 PM PST by AppyPappy (How many fingers am I holding up, Winston? )
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To: jz638

This.


110 posted on 03/05/2021 3:02:58 PM PST by BiteYourSelf ( Earth first we'll strip mine the other planets later.)
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To: BobL

That may be but we demonstrate what is possible first. Advancing technology first is far more expensive, the CCP will copy & steal.


111 posted on 03/05/2021 3:17:27 PM PST by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: RomanSoldier19

expert Lyle Goldstein

Wow
They said expert !

Well I guess they think that means something /-)

Utter bull crap

Expert bullshitter maybe.

Of course, I’ve always thought the first time jina says boo Biden will literally surrender our country to his chicom paymasters.

USofChina ,the

Far East Prefecture .

Come on man,,You know,,the thing !


112 posted on 03/05/2021 3:27:29 PM PST by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran 78 to 84 )
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To: carriage_hill

Yep, and their operatives, etc.!!


113 posted on 03/05/2021 3:33:54 PM PST by Bill of Rights FIRST
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To: BobL

Are we buying wiser though or just paying a lot more for things?


114 posted on 03/05/2021 3:34:31 PM PST by oldasrocks
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To: A Navy Vet

Deep State=CIA is the ringleader in the US and the world


115 posted on 03/05/2021 3:35:41 PM PST by Bill of Rights FIRST
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To: redgolum
Remember they are a nuclear power. Is LA worth Taiwan?

Why would China attack Mexico's biggest city in a war against us? LA is safe.

116 posted on 03/05/2021 4:00:39 PM PST by Pollster1 (America is no longer in Claire Wolfe's "awkward stage")
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To: redgolum

“Remember they are a nuclear power. Is LA worth Taiwan?”

There are people on FR who do not believe any country would use their nukes. I believe any country that has nukes, when faced with losing a war on their own soil, will use them.


117 posted on 03/06/2021 5:07:36 AM PST by suthener
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To: VMI70

Hi guy. I hope you are doing well.

Sometimes I have senior moments and brain farts.

5.56mm


118 posted on 03/06/2021 11:16:08 AM PST by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho ain't my president.)
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To: jz638

In 1988 I bought my first Toyota pickup truck. It was not called the Tacoma back then because they only made one pickup model.
In 1999 I bought my second Toyota pick up.
I did not trade in the 1988.
I advertised it locally.

I had two different guys who called and the first question they asked was: “will it pass inspection?” I said: of course it will. The first guy said, ok have a nice day.
When the second guy asked the same question, I asked why? He stated that he bought old Datsuns/Nissans and Toyota trucks and shipped them overseas. He shipped his to Central America. He stated that he could fit four into a container and sell them for about $4000 down there. He would buy them in the US for $1000. He also said that others guys sent them to Asia.

A couple years go by and the USA invades Afghanistan. What are all those Taliban dudes driving around? Old Toyota and Datsun pick up trucks with a machine gun in the back.
So, I made myself a bumper sticker on Zazzle.

Toyota Tacoma
Official Vehicle of the Taliban

I stuck it on the rear bumper of my 1999 Tacoma.


119 posted on 03/08/2021 7:04:30 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: suthener

Taiwan is viewed as part of China.

Starting with Nixon we have been playing a rather dangerous game.

PRC may not want to use nukes, but they will if pressed.

And I would bet that their nukes are being maintained.


120 posted on 03/08/2021 7:24:47 AM PST by redgolum (If this culture today is civilization, I will be the barbarian)
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