Posted on 03/03/2021 12:33:03 PM PST by rxsid
Mike Pence Breaks His Silence on Election
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Too little too late… we don’t want to hear it…
Former Vice President Pence on Wednesday criticized the 2020 election in his his first extended written comments since leaving office in January.
Pence said there were “significant voting irregularities” and “numerous instances of officials setting aside state election law” in the 2020 presidential election.
The remarks were offered by Pence in an op-ed published by the Daily Signal, a publication run by the conservative Heritage Foundation. The context was an attack on H.R. 1, a voting rights bill the House is expected to pass on Wednesday, that Pence said would “increase opportunities for election fraud.”
" “Many of the most troubling voting irregularities took place in states that set aside laws enacted by state legislatures in favor of sweeping changes ordered by governors, secretaries of state, and courts.”“While legislators in many states have begun work on election reform to restore public confidence in state elections, unfortunately, congressional Democrats have chosen to sweep those valid concerns and reforms aside and to push forward a brazen attempt to nationalize elections in blatant disregard of the U.S. Constitution.”
Many members from the (R) controlled legislatures from Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin sent letters to Pence to delay so they could review.
That's not trivial.
It'd be like saying...well, only some AG's petitioned SCOTUS for relief from the fraud, but since most or all didn't join in...it's nothing and should be ignored on it's face due to that fact.
It is those people who want to accept a fraudulent election who wants to tear up the constitution.
And Pence is a bitch whom I hope shall suffer misery and humiliation for all the rest of his days.
+1.
So he didn’t have anything to say about the lawless and corrupt USSC?
They could have addressed the issue when they WERE in session in November 2020.
You can't blame them for bullsh*t that was out of their control.
But you want to blame VP Pence for bullsh!t that was out of HIS control? You're not even being objective and coherent here.
The rest of your post depends on the president pro tempore of the Senate not existing. But he does. And he would have opened the certificates. Game over."
And what authority does the president pro tempore have to preside over counting of the votes and perform all the other duties the president of the senate is supposed to do under the law?
Just because they got away with it, doesn't make it lawful.
At some point, the lawlessness has to be rejected.
He still thinks he has a shot in 2024.
Especially after he stabbed everyone in the back.
Screw him, the traitor.
And of course here you are again, arguing the incorrect and wrong side of the issue once more.
The mere fact that it specifies "President of the Senate" is an implicit grant of powers.
If there is no power to affect the result, then there is no purpose in specifying a certain official. It might as well be the desk clerk because the process can't be affected in any way.
Clearly the fact that they required this of the President of the Senate demonstrates that they expected him to wield power over the process, even to the extent of declaring it fraudulent and invalid.
You say they can do this without his consent, pray tell us how they could do this without his consent? What constitutional authority grants them the power to override his objections?
That's why you rarely ever see the VP presiding over Senate proceedings even though he IS the President of the Senate.
You had your chance pence. Go away!
And that's the key. That provision was put in the event the VP was actually not available for X reason(s).
Pence doesn't vanish. He's still there. Holding up the letters from the states saying he can not in good faith continue to read the votes into the record due to all the existing, and mounting, questions.
Do the dem's tell the sergeant of arms or capital police to arrest Pence on national tv? Does Leahy usurp his authority and take over Pence's job anyway like he took over the Chief Justices job?
Pence could have forced the issue. Pence should have forced the issue. The Marquess of Queensberry rules playbook needs to be tossed.
Don't try to flip this bullsh*t into *MY* burden of proof. I have stated that by the actual fact of the Constitution requiring him to "PRESIDE", he has the authority to "PRESIDE."
Now *YOU* have to prove to us that he has no authority to "PRESIDE." Included for your convenience is a link to a definition below.
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/preside
You have to prove that they could have proceeded without his consent.
I agree with your assessment on this point.
Maybe it's not trivial, but it's also not meaningful. A state legislator -- or even a group of state legislators -- has no authority to act in any official capacity on behalf of the state they represent just by "writing a letter" to the President of the Senate.
Depending on the laws of a state, the AG of that state might have more authority than a group of legislators to act on the state's behalf in an official capacity.
Mike Pence did not have any authority under the Constitution to refuse to “certify” the electoral votes. Under the Constitution, the votes of that State’s Electors are certified by the State and transmitted by sealed box to the Senate. All the VP, as President of the Senate, has authority to do is open the boxes, read the votes certified by each State and then “count” them. Trump and his army of jailhouse lawyers are wrong about this.
+1.
I think people are reading things into the text to fit their political biases. This is no different then when Douglas saw ‘penumbras’ in the Constitution to fit his.
The text says what it says.
The Bing homepage has this story as “Pence Spreads Falsehoods”.
WTF? It looks like you’ve posted a quote from someone else’s post.
Where were the alternate slates of Electors with the imprimatur of both that state's legislature and signed off by that state's Governor?
And even if Pence had had that, the House and the Senate must both vote in the majority to throw out the original Electors of any challenged state's slate.
The fact that 1 Congressman and 1 Senator, can object to every electoral slate (50 states + DC) is Constitutionally not enough to actually disqualify that state's slate. The Vice President must have both the House & Senate majority votes.
So anyone who 'thinks' U.S.C. 12 permitted the VP to act extra-constitutionally is talking out of their ass.
As it was, Pence approved the 1+1 Objection to the AZ elector slate just before everyone was moved down to the subway, and he approved the 1+1 Objection to the PA elector slate after they returned, rejecting enormous pressure to simply ignore the PA challenge after the protestor tours of the Capitol went home.
Any Freeper who continues to unwittingly (truely, without wit) complain about the absence of any enabling Constitutional language that would have permitted Pence to act in your prescribed manner -- what each of you really wanted Pence to do was "Living Document" errant libtard constructionalism, and you know it.
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