Iowa House Panels Advance Resolutions Calling for Constitutional Convention

iowatorch.com ^ | 2/17/21 | Shane Vander Hart

[Jim Noble]

This will never happen.

[familyop]

"Even then. No way to keep the so-called progressives out."

Nearly every single one of them in the country would get involved, and they would cheat in many ways. Worse, yet, trillions of dollars' worth in funds would pour in from around the world to turn it into a convention to outlaw our constitutional freedoms forever.

And the municipal and state commies pretending to be conservatives know that it would present the unprecedented opportunity for a final power grab. We would be forever enslaved and abused with no way out.

One more thing. The most radical Democrats have their own plans published for just that opportunity. Many of them are also much in favor of an Article V convention.

[familyop]

"For a Convention of the States dedicated to a balanced budget amendment only, the count is 30 down, 4 to go."

I trust those state legislators and municipal bosses and their most favored, paying constituents, because they're more against federal pork than anyone else.

[Gigantic pool of irony and sarcasm vomitous there. After an Article V convention, public school teachers and state bureaucrats would be given individual discretion over public execution of private sector people. Abolish public education and other wrongful programs receiving federal funding through the states, and I'll believe a little more in pursuing such a convention.]

[familyop]

"You would come out the other end with a proposed repeal of the 2nd amendment.

Thirty-eight states would still have to ratify it."

The most elite of the most equal animals of the thirty-eight states (state legislators and their most favored constituents, rich from government revenues and government favoritism and suddenly far richer from trillions of dollars from the world's plutocrats) would still have to ratify it.

[Repeal The 17th]

Thanks for the ping.
As always, my reply is: “Let’s Roll!”

[familyop]

Imagine the mountains of gold that the world’s billionaires would throw to state legislators to completely put an end to our rights and hand them complete control of our country. For a hint, look at what the likes of Zuckerberg threw to Democrats and their poll workers in those critical areas of the 2020 election. The election fraud would look like nothing compared to what the world’s plutocrats and their puppets of the radical left would have in store for us.

And state legislators wouldn’t have any reason whatsoever to listen to us while imposing absolute slavery on us within a day. They could do whatever they wanted to our Constitution. They could, in effect, void it. They wouldn’t need votes any more. They would only need to do whatever the deranged oligarchs of the left commanded them to do. They could be the middlemen for the oligarchs of this planet for their rest of their lives.

[unread]

"Even then. No way to keep the so-called progressives out."

Yeah, like snakes in the grass.. You can deal with them, but you've got to recognize them before they stab you in the back...

[fwdude]

The number of issues needing to be addressed by such a convention are overwhelming, and a pitiful few will make it through by consensus. It will be like applying one or two bandaids to a severed artery.

The only path forward is secession.

[Dr. Franklin]

For a Convention of the States dedicated to Georgia’s application language, which would re-balance citizens’ rights versus federal power and state power, the count is 15 down, 19 to go.
For a Convention of the States dedicated to a balanced budget amendment only, the count is 30 down, 4 to go.

It's not clear from the text of the Constitution that the request for a convention can be limited as such, or once the critical number of 34 legislatures is met, that it can be rescinded. Article V is silent on these topics. What is clear to me is that this is the only way to reign in the Swamp. Typically, when the call for a second constitutional convention gets close to the required number of legislatures needed, Congress jumps in to lead the parade and offers an amendment itself. A constitutional convention is a kind of super legislature which becomes the rival to Congress, and Congress fears it.

We badly need a constitutional convention now to fix the rigged elections, term limits, and other "good government" issues. At this point, it isn't just a Republican Party issue. Independents and Trumpocrats will join this movement if it is done properly.

[Dr. Franklin]

It's not a "Constitutional Convention." It's a "Convention for proposing Amendments." The former created a Constitution, the latter only proposes amendments that must be sent to the states for ratification.

That's a distinction without a difference. A convention could scrap the entire constitution and rewrite it. Thus, it is properly called a constitutional convention, con-con, or just CC for short.

[Cen-Tejas]

TO: patriot torch, Dugway Duke, Rurudyne, Highest Authority

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You 4 guys views as expressed on this thread are similar to many other Freepers. I just want to take a couple minutes to express my thinking which MOSTLY contrasts to you guys collective thinking, to wit: # 1. Your argument, expressed without alternatives to the COS, is an argument, or in some cases just rebuke, to continue the status quo. I think MOST Freepers don’t want to continue the status quo and so far 15 state legislatures don’t either.

# 2, It takes 34 states to approve a convention and 38 to approve any single amendment. Imagine, if you will, trying to get your pet amendment passed by 38 states in both houses and signed by the Governor while bearing in mind that some of those states will necessarily have to be blue states. So, progressives “running away” is not possible or likely. I can say too that I think Texas would veto ANY nonsensical amendment DOA. Term Limits for Representatives and Senators and a balanced budget requirement (like many states including Texas) are worth the fight!

The only alternative argument I support is a halfway measure and that iss strong and AGRESSIVE nullification. Secession is just so adverse as to be the very, very, very last resort. We can corral, retard and contain the damn liberals without a Civil War...........in my humble opinion. Trump proved that.

My biggest gripe about secession is that if secession takes place by a number of states and even if there is no accompanying war there’s no guarantee the damn liberals won’t infiltrate us all again and then we are right back where we started with another mini secession or two.

We still have a significantly higher percentage of conservatives in the country so let’s wake up and get aggressive and control the liberal/marxist bastards via reclaiming states rights through STRONG NULLIFICATION (like South Dakota) backed up by physical force if it comes down to it. Also, we need Civics education and History back in our Public schools and NOT the Liberal/Marxist/Socialist model.

Remember what Lincoln said....”We the People are the rightful masters of both Congress and the Courts not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who would pervert the Constitution”.

[Jacquerie]

Start with repealing the 17th Amendment. Restore the Framers’ form of government.

Through disuse, We the People have surrendered our practical sovereignty to an oligarchy. There are no limits to their power. They stole the Presidential election from us and will only refine their nefarious arts these next few years. They will never let go.

Amendments can be repealed.

Outside of a COS or subsequent scotus decision, scotus decisions are untouchable and held in higher regard and obedience than the Constitution.

[Jacquerie]

I’m amazed how the naysayers are certain of the outcome, the convention proposals of delegates from 50 distinct societies.

[Jacquerie]

Delegates to the convention will have detailed commissions that describe the extent of their authority.

[Political Junkie Too]

That's a distinction without a difference. A convention could scrap the entire constitution and rewrite it. Thus, it is properly called a constitutional convention, con-con, or just CC for short.

Nope.

The difference is that there wasn't a Constitution in place the first time, and there is one now.

The justification for the Convention to propose amendments is Article V. There was no Article V before.

If you think the Convention to propose amendments can just scrap the Constitution outright, then you must believe that they won't need to have any states ratify it, since ratification is in the Article V that was just scrapped?

Furthermore, how do you address the fact that the states are still sovereign governments? Do you believe that the legislatures of the several states would just sit back and let a Convention to propose amendments tell them that the Constitution has been voided and they are now in charge?

Since the states were sovereign governments that preexisted the Constitution, wouldn't scrapping the Constitution just revert the states back to individual sovereign governments? If the Convention for proposing amendments decides to ignore that Constitutional boundary on their powers and declare a new Constitution is now in force, what would behold the states to this new Constitution?

Even the first Constitution was submitted to the states for ratification. Are you suggesting that a new Constitution to replace the existing Constitution would not have ratification processes as well, and would be imposed on the sovereign states by Convention fiat?

-PJ

[Jacquerie]

Do you expect the COS to be a free-for-all?

[Political Junkie Too]

And state legislators wouldn’t have any reason whatsoever to listen to us while imposing absolute slavery on us within a day. They could do whatever they wanted to our Constitution. They could, in effect, void it.

Hyperbole much?

-PJ

[Revel]

Even the GOP has been infiltrated with leftist. Many who are loyal to the Chinese. What could go wrong?

[Political Junkie Too]

I'm amazed that people think that the proposed amendments will be accepted as a single package.

If we are expected to believe that a Convention for proposing amendments will scrap the existing Constitution and turn us all into slaves, will that be one giant amendment or a series of singular smaller amendments? Won't the states have to ratify each proposed amendment one by one, each on its own merits?

What makes these doomsday naysayers think that the entire Constitution can be swept away en masse without one peep from the states, or the Congress, or the President, or We the People?

-PJ

[Jacquerie]

It is time to think outside the democrat/rino/never-Trumpster Flatland of political parties and elections. It is silly to attack an enemy where he is strongest and he is strongest in Washington DC. The Woke Left owns DC.

When the oligarchs soon work around the Electoral College, an Article V COS will be the Framers' last remaining federal institution. And they can't touch it.

Freepers regularly complain about the government's disregard of 10th Amendment. Well, let's put it to forceful use and show the world that the states are legitimate participants in the government of their creation.

My gosh, how The Establishment and Deep State would cr@p their pants if the states sued Congress NOW to call a convention!