That’s a false figure, RC one. The actual calculated death rate from Covid19 is about 0.33%. Your figure is including all the people who are dying from other causes who also have Corona Virus 19 indicators, but no active infection. Even then, the people who are at risk are those in the age cohort of over 65, and most over 80 with more than two co-morbidities.
The “Covid19 deaths” cases include persons who actually died from suicide, murder, murder/suicide, automobile/motorcycle accidents, deaths of victims from other morbidities such as cancer, chronic heart disease, diabetes, stroke, seasonal influenza, etc., and other accidents.
I was one of the first to point out back in February and March last year that the CDC’s own listing of deaths by various causes in the US had taken a nose dive for every other cause while deaths from Covid19 was suddenly skyrocketing. For example, I noticed that on a compounded line chart that was showing all causes of deaths in 2020 seasonal influenza that had been leading all diseases suddenly dropped to ZERO, while Covid19 suddenly started jumping up equivalent to deaths lost by influenza. The same thing occurred in the steady line growth for heart disease: it dropped to near zero, as did cancer deaths. This was impossible unless Covid19 infection was a complete and total cure for these diseases! No, of course it was not... the CDC had ordered that all deaths were to be subsumed into the Covid19 count.
There was a financial benefit for States, counties, and hospitals to do so... the Federal government had put in a spiff for every Covid19 patient being treated, an additional bonus for every Covid19 patient put in ICU on a Ventilator, and even more for every death reported. It was in these government entities’, and hospital’s financial interests to inflate however possible the numbers they reported. Numerous coroners and even funeral home operators reported they were instructed to “find” evidence of Covid where ever they could... despite obvious other causes of death being the actual proximate cause.
One in particular stuck in my mind. A motorcyclist in New York was hit by a red light runner, killed. They decided because he had been headed in the general direction of a hospital he had to have been headed to the emergency room so he MUST have been going there because he felt ill...with Covid19! Ergo, another Covid19 death! No evidence of any of that speculation, but that was there conclusion so that could list the motorcyclist’s death as being from Covid19!
Here’s another Covid19 death... a businessman in Las Vegas, Nev, laid off all 23 of his employees, went home, shot himself. Death due to Covid19! Aha! Although he was not infected, determined to be due to Covid19 and so counted!
The fact is, RC one, that the EXPECTED total number of deaths per month, counting ALL causes of deaths in the USA, projected from the numbers adjusted from the previous three years without INCLUDING the unexpected pandemic of Covid19 was never exceeded during 2020 until the last two months of 2020 WHEN INCLUDING counting Covid19... and then only by about 1.5-2% which is within the normal range of variation during a year! This is the level we would expect with a particularly bad Flu year. This shows that there really is no extraordinary level of “pandemic” deaths over and above the normal level of deaths expected in a normal year for the USA.
Those aren't my figures. They're figures derived from post 54 in this thread. Most of the people "dying from other causes" are actually dying from Covid related complications. a handful of anecdotal reports of fraud do not erase 425,000 total deaths. let's say you can find 5,000 cases of fraud. That's a lot and probably way higher than reality but, even if you could find that many cases of fraud, there's still 400,000 dead Americans. BTW, Medicare offers rewards for reporting fraud. If you can find 5,000 cases, you'll make a fortune.
I was one of the first to point out back in February and March last year that the CDC’s own listing of deaths by various causes in the US had taken a nose dive for every other cause while deaths from Covid19 was suddenly skyrocketing.
The final data for 2020 hasn't been reported. They don't even have the final data for 2018 or 2019 reported. If you have some source that provides the final vital statistic data for 2020, please provide it. It would be useful.
There was a financial benefit for States, counties, and hospitals to do so... the Federal government had put in a spiff for every Covid19 patient being treated, an additional bonus for every Covid19 patient put in ICU on a Ventilator, and even more for every death reported.
Of course they're paid more. Treating a highly contagious disease like this costs more. Why wouldn't they be compensated more? Show me all the names of the doctors and hospital employees that have been arrested for Medicare fraud. You can't do it. Why? Because what you have here is an unsubstantiated allegation. It would basically be impossible to perpetrate the kind of widespread fraud you're alleging. Aside from the ample documentation that is available to support the diagnosis of Covid for every patient admitted into a hospital with Covid, Medicare fraud is rare and fraud on the level that you're alleging is unheard of. What's more I don't think they are paid more "for every death reported". I'd have to see some supporting evidence to buy that. They're paid more if they're admitted for Covid and if they end up intubated and on a ventilator. Some of these people are in the ICU for nearly a month or even over a month. Even with the 20% stipend, you're losing money there.
One in particular stuck in my mind. A motorcyclist in New York was hit by a red light runner, killed. They decided because he had been headed in the general direction of a hospital he had to have been headed to the emergency room so he MUST have been going there because he felt ill...with Covid19!
Show me a link.
Here’s another Covid19 death... a businessman in Las Vegas, Nev, laid off all 23 of his employees, went home, shot himself. Death due to Covid19! Aha! Although he was not infected, determined to be due to Covid19 and so counted!
Show me a link. and keep in mind, you have shown me two cases. we still have about 425,000 to go.
The fact is, RC one, that the EXPECTED total number of deaths per month, counting ALL causes of deaths in the USA, projected from the numbers adjusted from the previous three years without INCLUDING the unexpected pandemic of Covid19 was never exceeded during 2020 until the last two months of 2020 WHEN INCLUDING counting Covid19... and then only by about 1.5-2% which is within the normal range of variation during a year! This is the level we would expect with a particularly bad Flu year. This shows that there really is no extraordinary level of “pandemic” deaths over and above the normal level of deaths expected in a normal year for the USA.