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Official From Italy Makes Announcement Re Data Breach - November 3rd Election
Rumble ^ | 01/11/2021 | Prof. Alfia D'Urso Spreme Court of Italy

Posted on 01/11/2021 7:38:54 PM PST by DoughtyOne

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To: Dr. Franklin

It has not been supporter by any other record either.


41 posted on 01/11/2021 9:44:35 PM PST by Widget Jr
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To: Widget Jr

Other than his listed credentials, I don’t know.

He seems affiliated with their Supreme Court. He’s acting the part of a public official that is informing the public about a major court development or legal proceeding.


42 posted on 01/11/2021 10:50:54 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Communists: "We're anti-Fascist! That's why we use and chapion fascist actions for our allies.")
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To: central_va
It’s not treason if they do it.

If a foreign government was consciously involved in vote-switching in a US national election, it's interpretable as an act of war.

If the Italian government was involved, then most likely it was part of a larger effort which involved other NATO nations. Not just in the 2020 election, but also in the 2016/2017 shenanigans aimed at Trump. We know why this would be, because Trump won't feed NATO more regional wars and take-downs of nation states (such as Libya) to profit from.

Now imagine the diplomatic and geopolitical complications of NATO secretly attacking US sovereignty. If you are Trump, you don't address that level of treachery by arresting minions, you have to aim higher. You have to be patient and thorough, and you have to get the offenders to stick their necks out to the maximum extent.

It may have been achieved, the next few days should tell us.

43 posted on 01/11/2021 11:30:45 PM PST by JustaTech (A mind is a terrible thing)
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To: Truthhunter1

So we’re not supposed to believe this information is true but we are supposed to believe some unknown DEBOONKER with a blog? Is this the Italian version of SNOPES?


44 posted on 01/12/2021 2:02:31 AM PST by MagnoliaB ( You can't always get what you want but if you try sometime you will find you get what you need.)
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To: Truthhunter1

Egads! Get yer lips off’n his butt....boy.


45 posted on 01/12/2021 4:29:18 AM PST by trebb (Fight like your life and future depends on it - because they do.)
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To: Truthhunter1

Perhaps you are the one misled and misleading? Those ballots under the table were at the least counted w/o poll watchers and more than likely were fake. Why did they wait for everyone to leave before they brought them out.

You are far too trustworthy of the DNC than the people you are trashing.


46 posted on 01/12/2021 4:56:15 AM PST by bray (Pray for President Trump)
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To: Widget Jr
It has not been supporter by any other record either.

It is supported by many affidavits in the U.S. of Dominion machines being connected to the Internet when they shouldn't have been, by the data of incredible spikes in Biden's votes at near the same time, or more ballots cast than voters who voted. It is also supported by Maria Zacks who broke the story and gave more information than what is in the affidavit, and the public demands of former Italian PM, Matteo Renzi, that PM Conte "sell" him the secret services portfolio or he will attempt to bring down the present government of Italy.

You may choose not to connect the dots, but don't criticize others who do.
47 posted on 01/12/2021 8:04:29 AM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Dr. Franklin
Let's try to remember we are on the same side here.

My issue is separating real dots from fake dots and connecting only the real dots without interference from fake dots. 4chan a while ago posted a map of the Internet connections between voting machines. Eric Coomer said to antifa he would stop Trump. Any computer voting system that has what amounts to a photoshop editing can not be trusted. I get that.

Then there are rumors become stories that grow to "we got them now" then disappear overnight to be replaced by the next rumor. There are lots of conservative sites that started after Trump started running that act like they have a pipeline to the oval office. Conservatives do not trust the MSM, that is not excuse to uncritically accept anyone who puts trigger words in and says what we want to hear.

One of my warning signs is when bits of pieces of stories already in the news are taken apart and put back together to form a new story. In this case, this story ties in the U.S. elections, the scytl or foreign servers, and Italian Intelligence leadership getting replace, which were already in the news. Arturo D'Elia could have read all that and made up this up to try to help him in is criminal defense. The guilty and desparate will say anything to get out of trouble.

48 posted on 01/12/2021 9:28:53 AM PST by Widget Jr
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To: Widget Jr
Let's try to remember we are on the same side here. My issue is separating real dots from fake dots and connecting only the real dots without interference from fake dots. 4chan a while ago posted a map of the Internet connections between voting machines. Eric Coomer said to antifa he would stop Trump. Any computer voting system that has what amounts to a photoshop editing can not be trusted. I get that. Then there are rumors become stories that grow to "we got them now" then disappear overnight to be replaced by the next rumor. There are lots of conservative sites that started after Trump started running that act like they have a pipeline to the oval office. Conservatives do not trust the MSM, that is not excuse to uncritically accept anyone who puts trigger words in and says what we want to hear.

OK. Fair enough.

One of my warning signs is when bits of pieces of stories already in the news are taken apart and put back together to form a new story. In this case, this story ties in the U.S. elections, the scytl or foreign servers, and Italian Intelligence leadership getting replace, which were already in the news. Arturo D'Elia could have read all that and made up this up to try to help him in is criminal defense. The guilty and desparate will say anything to get out of trouble.

Sure criminal defendants plead guilty to things they didn't do regularly. That is normally because they are pressured by police and prosecutors who want to "solve" a criminal case. Who in Italy wanted this crime solved? It's more of an embarrassment than anything. In most of Europe the prosecutor is appointed by the court, not the executive branch of government. The Italian connection here also includes millions of dollars on pallets of cash that Obama sent there on military planes. I can remember reading that and thinking at the time that it sounded like a drug deal. Should we really think that none of it was skimmed off and stayed there? It would explain the use of Italian intelligence in the Russia hoax. So how surprising is if an Italian subsidiary in the MIC was involved in hacking the election? Money talks. Follow the money.
49 posted on 01/12/2021 11:27:16 AM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Dr. Franklin
That is assuming he is telling the truth, based on one letter and one video, after he was arrested for another crime. If he had a conscience nothing stopped him from coming out earlier.

"Who in Italy wanted this crime solved?"

The Italians want the case against him solved, right? The U.S. and Italy are sovereign nations. Our elections are not their problem. Unless there is something really substantial, Italian law enforcement is not going to investigate anything to do with U.S. elections.

The Italian connection... ....Follow the money.

OK, you lost me here. I remember the Steele Dossier, not any Italian angle on that. Can you give a source, link, or key words to search, please?

50 posted on 01/12/2021 11:40:40 AM PST by Widget Jr
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To: Widget Jr
That is assuming he is telling the truth, based on one letter and one video, after he was arrested for another crime. If he had a conscience nothing stopped him from coming out earlier.

Was he arrested for another crime, or is that just the cover to get him in protective custody? People's lives are in danger as they have become "loose ends" of a compromised covert operation involving some famous politicians and big money. The story is that someone was pressed into service on the fly when Trump won by a bigger margin than anticipated. He had a conscience and reported everything to local authorities.

The Italians want the case against him solved, right? The U.S. and Italy are sovereign nations. Our elections are not their problem. Unless there is something really substantial, Italian law enforcement is not going to investigate anything to do with U.S. elections.

Considering that the case against him is politically embarrassing to the Italian government, I doubt they want to admit there was a crime. That is before considering that because of Trump's EO, Italy could face financial sanctions for interfering in our election. It also could be considered an act of war. It's easier for the Italians if this never happened.

OK, you lost me here. I remember the Steele Dossier, not any Italian angle on that. Can you give a source, link, or key words to search, please?

There have been a few threads about this here on FR, usually linking Spygate to Italy. For example:
Italygate, part II: Obama and Renzi accused of being the masterminds of the US electoral fraud
Just a few quick links from other sources from well before the election:
Exclusive: Obama's Deep State Ties to Italians and Their Attempts to Set Up Trump Are Finally Coming to Light
Spygate Update From Italy: Italian Occhionero Files Complaint – Says He's Still Being Spied On
51 posted on 01/12/2021 12:54:29 PM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it.")
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"Considering that the case against him is politically embarrassing to the Italian government, I doubt they want to admit there was a crime."

They did when they arrested both of them on December 5 of this year. Search for: Arturo D'Elia Antonio Rossi, skip anything 2020 election and decide for yourself.

"The story is that someone was pressed into service on the fly when Trump won by a bigger margin than anticipated. He had a conscience and reported everything to local authorities.

Source?

Non election news on their arrest:

Preliminary inquiry documents in the Leonardo hack suggest hackers were targeting nEUROn drone, C-27J and ATR-72 documents. Dec. 24, many links.
Attacco Hacker a Leonardo Spa, 2 arresti - Italian, 05/12/2020

Exclusive: Leonardo hack targeted military plane details, arrest warrant shows

"The police also said on Dec. 5 they had arrested Arturo D'Elia and Antonio Rossi who had both worked at Leonardo, over their alleged role in hacking 94 computers, 33 of which were located at the group's Pomigliano plant."

Who Watches the Watchers, Italian Style – Insider IP Theft at Leonardo Dec. 15.
Leonardo hack targeted commercial, military component unit - police officer Dec 11.
Hacking at defence giant Leonardo; Police arrests two former employees Dec 7
Police arrest two people over stealing sensitive data from defense giant Dec. 6.
Leonardo nEUROn UCAV Data Targeted By Hack December 24, 2020

Re, links in your post:

I found this on Occhionero, you might like it: Rosella B.Raval - Barbara Sept 24, 2019

A lot of what GP says, is their own interpretation of and not what people actually said. To me GP is 50/50. Their "We Got Them" series is really good. At other times they report their hype and speculation as proven fact.

When GP writes:

"Occhionero claims and it’s reported that:

Members of Italian intelligence were approached by Hillary Clinton, the Obama Administration, and the Deep State in order to frame Trump by PLANTING EVIDENCE on American servers to force Trump to step down from office."

They say "it is reported that", without citing the reporter, because it is Neon Revolt: Operation Charlemagne, The Silent Ones, and EyePyramid. Italy’s role in Framing Trump! #Spygate #QAnon #GreatAwakening #NEONREVOLT. A Qanon site.

First, I think Q is a hoax that has gone to far.

Second, I'm going to say what GP did her is really close to plaigarism, becasue while they provide Occhionero's letter, they use another source, which they do not link, to put words in his mouth as if he said them, which he did not.

Breaking in the few hours: NeonRevolt just got busted as a fraud.

Search: Neonrevolt fake OR fraud.

EXCLUSIVE: Failed Screenwriter from New Jersey Behind One of QAnon’s Most Influential Personas

52 posted on 01/12/2021 2:54:49 PM PST by Widget Jr
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To: Whenifhow; null and void; aragorn; EnigmaticAnomaly; kalee; Kale; AZ .44 MAG; Baynative; bgill; ...

re-ping


53 posted on 01/14/2021 7:55:32 AM PST by bitt (When you tear out a man's tongue you are not proving him a liar, you show fear what he might sa)
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To: DoughtyOne

The election was stolen, fair and square. It was done by traditional means of ballot box stuffing.

In order to provide cover for that, it’s very Clintonian then to have made up a few conspiracy theories to get people off of the REAL story. So, we have this Italian thing, the Frankfurt server raid, the Dominion system vote flipping thing and on and on.

That takes the eyes off of the fraudulent actions by the States SOS and GOVs in changing election rules, votes by illegals, votes by people that no longer reside in state, votes by the dead, votes by the fictional addresses, mishandling of ballots, changing of signature verification, lack of oversight during ballot counts, excessive voter turnout in key big blue cities...and the list simply goes on and on.

By burying the real story with conspiracies, the Dems provided great cover for the theft.

But who would have known that our court system is even MORE corrupt than our voting? And that the SCOTUS did everything they could do assist in the steal.

This election was the nail in the coffin of this country, as we’ve declined since Reagan to this point. And the “next time talk”...lol...the entire point of all this is that there isn’t going to be a next time.


54 posted on 01/14/2021 8:14:34 AM PST by Professional ( )
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