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You Can't Sue Over Election Fraud Before, During or After the Election
FrontPage Mag ^ | Dec 18, 2020 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 12/19/2020 7:40:43 AM PST by texas booster

When should you file a lawsuit over an election? If you're a Democrat, the answer is at any time. But if you're a Republican the answer is never.

Here's February, 2020.  

 A federal judge, this week, ruled against Gov. Brian Kemp in a lawsuit filed against him in 2018, while he was still Secretary of State. According to the suit, Kemp, in his role as secretary of state, was accused of using a racially-biased methodology for removing as many as 700,000 legitimate voters from the state's voter rolls during a period between 2016 and 2018.

In her conclusion, the judge said she is considering a summary judgment finding against Kemp and considering full access to the 2016 and 2017 Crosscheck lists to Palast and Butler.

Here's Judge Ross, an Obama appointee, now.

For the second time in one day, a federal judge in Georgia tossed out a Republican-led challenge against absentee voting in the Peach State’s runoff election now underway.

“As the parties are aware, federal courts are courts of limited jurisdiction,” U.S. District Judge Eleanor L. Ross, a Barack Obama appointee, ruled on Thursday, finding a lack of standing.

“All of plaintiffs’ claims are based on theories of potential future injury,” Ross added, finding that too “speculative” to carry the day.

You can sue over how an election was handled in 2018, and get a decision in 2020, but you can't sue over an election in 2020. Not if you're a Republican.

There's no standing to sue over an election before it happens because then it's speculative "theories of potential future injury", nor can you sue while an election is underway. 

Because, come on, it's already underway.

“We’re not on the eve of an election; we’re in the middle of it,” noted Charlene S McGowan, counsel for Georgia’s Office of the Attorney General.

And then it's too late to sue afterward.

But speaking of who gets to sue, here's who gets to sue when it comes to the Democrats.

The federal lawsuit was initiated by freelance journalist Greg Palast along with Helen Butler, executive director of Georgia Coalition for the People's Agenda.

Freelance journalists can sue over 2018 elections, but Republicans, no matter how clearly they can show injury, can't sue over the 2020 election.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: danielgreenfield; electionfraud; greenfield; sultanknish; votefraud
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Excellent article from Mr. Greenfield.

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1 posted on 12/19/2020 7:40:43 AM PST by texas booster
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To: 100American; 21twelve; 2nd amendment mama; A Conservative Thinker; Absolutely Nobama; ...
Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam.

“You Can't Sue Over Election Fraud Before, During or After the Election”

... Unless You Are a Democrat.

2 posted on 12/19/2020 7:42:10 AM PST by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: texas booster

What will anyone do about it? Break windows? Loot? Pout? Boycott Georgia, Vegas, Zona, Michigan, the City of Love?


3 posted on 12/19/2020 7:46:09 AM PST by petitfour (APPEAL TO HEAVEN)
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To: texas booster

4 posted on 12/19/2020 8:03:21 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: texas booster
/s All Democrat are free of accusation during an election because to do so is political partisan biased election interference. But it’s open season on every Republican conservative constitutionalist candidate because they’re just mean.

“You better not catch me!

You better not catch me!

No fair catching meee.” - Bill Cosby’s wife when playing chase.

5 posted on 12/19/2020 8:04:15 AM PST by conservativeimage (Law and order provides the convenience to live an honest life.)
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To: petitfour
What will anyone do about it? Break windows? Loot? Pout? Boycott Georgia, Vegas, Zona, Michigan, the City of Love?

Thats what my husband has been saying for years, what are you going to do about it, vote?" Super sad for our country, whats left of it.

6 posted on 12/19/2020 8:11:37 AM PST by thirst4truth (America, What difference does it make?)
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To: texas booster

“Standing” is one of the most powerful judicial tools in existence.

In theory, you can deny a murder charge by claiming the victim did not have standing. It would be bat crap nuts, but it is possible.

Law is just words on paper. What men with badges and guns do is what matter.


7 posted on 12/19/2020 8:19:39 AM PST by redgolum (If this culture today is civilization, I will be the barbarian )
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To: petitfour

I thought 2nd Amendment would protect us from takeover by the leftists. If not then what good is it?


8 posted on 12/19/2020 8:24:39 AM PST by entropy12 (Those who vote decide nothing, those who count votes decide everything--Joseph Stalin)
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To: texas booster
Remember the obama debacle?
I get the feeling all these judges that are rejecting the lawsuits are saying that the time for the judciary was before the election, now that the election is over it's up to the legislative branch through impeachment.

Before the primaries we made the case.
They said it wasn't the right time because he wasn't actually his party's candidate.

Before the main election we made the case.
They said it wasn't the right time because he wasn't actually the president elect.

Before the electoral college vote we made the case.
They said it wasn't the right time because he hadn't actually been elected until the electoral college said so.

Before the congress accepted the electoral college vote we made the case.
They said it wasn't the right time because he hadn't actually been approved until the congress accepted the electoral college vote.

Before was sworn in we made the case.
They said it wasn't the right time because he hadn't actually violated the constitution until he became president.

Now that he is in the White House, they say it's too late, you should have said something sooner!


9 posted on 12/19/2020 8:31:33 AM PST by null and void (My President is a Person Of Color, Orange is a Color...)
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To: texas booster

If voting could change anything they would not let us do it...


10 posted on 12/19/2020 8:31:58 AM PST by glasseye ("If you don't fire that prosecutor, you ain't black." -Joe Biden)
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To: Travis McGee

11 posted on 12/19/2020 8:42:56 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Our 2nd Civil War started, Friday, December 11th, 2020! As we can not have real elections anymore)
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To: Travis McGee; All
My memes are free for you to use, and in this case, modify it I guess, but I would appreciate it if you would show the courtesy of leaving the attribution, my name HotHunt, on the image since I created it. Thank you.


12 posted on 12/19/2020 8:47:06 AM PST by HotHunt
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To: texas booster

All of plaintiffs claims are based on theories.

Another clear case of a judge who studied law between lunch and dinner.


13 posted on 12/19/2020 8:50:04 AM PST by Vaduz (women and children to be impacIQ of chimpsted the most.)
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To: glasseye
Post/reply of the day/week/month/Year! If voting could change anything, they would not let us do it...

10 posted on 12/19/2020, 8:31:58 AM by glasseye!

See my new tag line.

14 posted on 12/19/2020 8:53:09 AM PST by Grampa Dave (If voting could change anything, they would not let us do it...!!! Posted by glasseye, 12/19/2020!! )
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15 posted on 12/19/2020 8:59:04 AM PST by Grampa Dave (If voting could change anything, they would not let us do it...!!! Posted by glasseye, 12/19/2020!! )
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To: Grampa Dave; All
Thank you, Grampa Dave.

You seem to have been a supporter of my random memes on FR in the past. I appreciate it. I don't copyright them or charge for others to use them. I just ask that if you do repost the memes, that you leave my name on them.

I know you understand. It's an ego thing. 🤪

Thanks for your support. Merry Christmas.

16 posted on 12/19/2020 9:06:01 AM PST by HotHunt
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To: texas booster
When should you file a lawsuit over an election? If you're a Democrat, the answer is at any time. But if you're a Republican the answer is never.

Here's February, 2020.

A federal judge, this week, ruled against Gov. Brian Kemp in a lawsuit filed against him in 2018, while he was still Secretary of State. According to the suit, Kemp, in his role as secretary of state, was accused of using a racially-biased methodology for removing as many as 700,000 legitimate voters from the state's voter rolls during a period between 2016 and 2018.

In her conclusion, the judge said she is considering a summary judgment finding against Kemp and considering full access to the 2016 and 2017 Crosscheck lists to Palast and Butler.

This element of the article is misleading at best.

Palast v. Kemp, GAND 18-cv-04809-ELR, was not an election case but a freedom of information case seeking Interstate Voter Registration Crosscheck lists from 2016 and 2017 brought under the Georgia Open Records Act.

The cited February 2020 ruling (case document #25) was not on deciding any issue on the merits but about Kemp's motion for a summary judgment dismissal of the case.

As the court stated at 5, "The motion should be granted only if no rational fact finder could return a verdict in favor of the non-moving party." In ruling on the motion, the court stated at 7, "While it is true that the record is devoid of any evidence that Defendant actually has the lists in its possession, the evidence in the record sufficiently calls into question whether Georgia utilized the lists as a tool to aid in determining or ensuring the 'accurracy and currency of list of eligible voters' as contemplated by NVRA."

At 10, the court stated, "The Court finds that summary judgment in favor of the Defendant is inappropriate and that Plaintiffs are entitled to access to the 2016 and 2017 Crosscheck lists. Therefore, the Court now considers entering summary judgment in favor of Plaintiffs sua sponte pursuant to Federal Rules of Civil Procedure 56(f). As such, the Court PLACES Defendant on notice that it is considering entering summary judgment in favor of Plaintiff."

Document 26 was Kemp's response in opposition to summary judgment for plaintiff.

Prolonged litigation followed until the case was dismissed. Below is the end of the Docket Report:

08/28/2020 51 Consent MOTION to Stay Pending Dismissal by Greg Palast and Helen Butler. (Attachments: # 1 Text of Proposed Order)(Spears, George) Modified on 8/31/2020 to edit filer and modify text (jpk). (Entered: 08/28/2020)

09/01/2020 52 ORDER denying 51 Consent Motion to Stay Pending Dismissal. Upon review, the Court DENIES the Parties' motion. Instead of staying the case, the Court will direct the Clerk to administratively close the case. The Court notes that administrative closure does not affect the rights of either Party. Accordingly, the Court DIRECTS the Clerk to ADMINISTRATIVELY CLOSE this case. The Parties shall file a stipulation of dismissal upon finalization of the requisite documents. If settlement fails, the Parties should promptly move to reopen the case. Signed by Judge Eleanor L. Ross on 8/31/2020. (jpk) (Entered: 09/01/2020)

09/01/2020 Civil Case Terminated. (jpk) (Entered: 09/01/2020)

10/13/2020 53 STIPULATION of Dismissal by Greg Palast. (Spears, George) (Entered: 10/13/2020)

While it is true that the Court stated it was considering summary judgment in favor of plaintiffs, following Defendant's response in opposition, summary judgment was not granted to plaintiff Palast, and, in the end, Palast's case was dismissed. The case itself was about a request for copies of Interstate Voter Registration Crosscheck lists from 2016 and 2017 brought under the Georgia Open Records Act.

17 posted on 12/19/2020 9:32:43 AM PST by woodpusher
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To: redgolum
What men with badges and guns do is what matter.

A snapped shut coin purse would matter if enough people had the guts.

18 posted on 12/19/2020 9:33:40 AM PST by Buttons12 ( )
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To: thirst4truth

Any Democrat Party office is fair game IMHO


19 posted on 12/19/2020 10:20:56 AM PST by kaktuskid
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To: HotHunt

You create them, ping me, and most of your good creations work on my Chromebook, and I will give you credit when I repost.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, my old FRiend!


20 posted on 12/19/2020 10:33:21 AM PST by Grampa Dave (If voting could change anything, they would not let us do it...!!! Posted by glasseye, 12/19/2020!! )
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