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Our Immunologic Response To COVID-19
American Council on Science and Health ^ | 12/08/20 | Chuck Dinerstein, MD,MBA

Posted on 12/16/2020 11:01:54 AM PST by Pining_4_TX

Is President Trump, Rudy Giuliani, or any other individual infected with COVID-19 susceptible to reinfection? While there are a few scattered reports, the real question is how much of our immune response persists. A new study provides updated information.

(Excerpt) Read more at acsh.org ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antibodies; covid; health

1 posted on 12/16/2020 11:01:54 AM PST by Pining_4_TX
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To: Pining_4_TX
The Take-Away

COVID-19 infection results in an immunologic response. Most critically, immunologic defense against the regional binding domain, where the viral RNA is injected into the host cell, seems to be the most effective in mitigating the disease's course. This is the target for both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccine, which is good news. The study tells us that in asymptomatic patients, the immunoglobulin response is muted and fades quickly, making the COVID-19 tests that utilize these indirect infection markers more liable to under-identify prior disease.

Our immune response involves multiple actors, cytokines, T cells, and host susceptibility; there is no simple antibody pattern that predicts a better or worse outcome – that knowledge remains outside our current grasp.

Well, now we know ...

2 posted on 12/16/2020 11:09:31 AM PST by gloryblaze
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To: gloryblaze

Ha, ha, I know, right? In other words, it’s still a puzzle. However, it’s nice to know it’s still a puzzle, so nobody can claim they have it figured out.


3 posted on 12/16/2020 11:12:44 AM PST by Pining_4_TX (I'm old enough to remember when you actually had to be able to do something to be hired to do it.)
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To: gloryblaze

No one knows how long the immunity will last. They guresses are from 3 months to 3 years. Boosters will be needed.

The left states that it is the shorter time, and that they will contol us forever.

The Right says that it will last the longer time, just a little booster once in a while.

Meanwhile we have paid Big Pharm millions in tax payer money to NOT take the now proven prophylaxis doses of HCQ or Ivermectin.

I think I will go for a two pill weekly Ivermectin dose. That way, I won’t have any genetic alteration going on in my body.

yes. Its now pronve [rp[hy;axis in both HCQ and Ivermectin:

See it here:

HCQ

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3861979/posts

Ivermectin:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3914200/posts


4 posted on 12/16/2020 11:20:23 AM PST by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism:http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html) )
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To: Pining_4_TX

Meanwhile, the flu has been basically cured in San Diego, or has it!

Carl DeMaio calls for audit of COVID-19 data; only 36 flu cases reported (San Diego)
Posted: December 9, 2020 KUSI Newsroom

SAN DIEGO (KUSI) – COVID-19 cases continue to increase across California, and here in San Diego County, but flu cases remain extremely low in comparison to this time in previous years.

We are well into flu season, but San Diego County’s data for flu infections only shows 36 reported cases so far this year. Carl DeMaio tweeted out this shocking revelation, comparing it to this time in other years saying, “In a typical year we get over 17,073 on average!”

DeMaio explained, “if you are going to use a set of numbers like COVID stats to shut down the economy, to take people’s livelihoods away, then we have to really look closely at what those numbers really mean, and whether those numbers are giving us the right picture.” Continuing, “my concern has been from the get go, that we are relying on numbers from government agencies, that may have a different agenda at stake. We would benefit from having a different set of eyes looking at them, such as an auditor or a citizens review committee. Because again, the decisions being made on these data sets are sweeping, the lockdowns are far reaching in terms of their impact.”

DeMaio then said San Diego County has refused to have any look over or vet our local COVID-19 numbers.

Chairman of Reform California, Carl DeMaio, joined KUSI’s Jason Austell on Good Morning San Diego to explain why he is calling for a “full audit of the COVID-19 data we are seeing reported from our public health system.”

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5 posted on 12/16/2020 11:27:51 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Our 2nd Civil War started, Friday, December 11th, 2020! As we can not have real elections anymore)
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To: Grampa Dave
Comparing this year's flu season to last year's is intellectually dishonest, as flu season peaks at different times in different years. If we get to April and there's been no peak for flu season, then we have something unusual. Otherwise, we're well within the range of normal.

Every flu season is different. Last year's flu season was unusually early in its peak, but also fairly mild in terms of hospitalizations and deaths (both well below average). If this year it peaks in February, that would be completely normal.

6 posted on 12/16/2020 11:48:26 AM PST by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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To: Candor7

The information we have based on SARS-CoV-1 and MERS-CoV suggest our immune response should be intact for several years. The 3 months guesses are ridiculous considering the number of people who had it in March and April and the exceedingly small number (double digits?) of people who have gotten it twice.

This idea that your immunity only last weeks or a few months is just fearmongering. Your immunity demonstrably lasts at least 9 months just based on our experience with COVID-19 already. Evidence from the closest viral relative to SARS-CoV-2 suggests it should be several years. Wake me up when masses of people who had it already start getting it again. So long as reinfection is so rare that the media can individually identify each person experiencing it, I’m not worried.

7 billion people on this planet; some people are just unlucky.


7 posted on 12/16/2020 11:52:35 AM PST by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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To: Pining_4_TX
Meanwhile, on the vaccine...

NOT BREAKING - JUST KEK

8 posted on 12/16/2020 11:58:12 AM PST by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds. )
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To: Candor7
No one knows how long the immunity will last. The guesses are from 3 months to 3 years.

Considering reports of reinfection are litterally less than "one in a million", it seems we can be 100% confident of 9 months of immunity. Even if immunity lasts just 1 year, we should at least be seeing hundreds of outliers here in the USA that were reinfected. I would assume the lower end is at least a year and like longer. Of course, that is for actual SARS-CoV2 infections. More data is needed on the various vaccines.

9 posted on 12/16/2020 11:59:37 AM PST by ETCM
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To: ETCM
HOW BOUT NO !!

GATESShot

10 posted on 12/16/2020 12:00:26 PM PST by timestax
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To: timestax

Sorry, I don’t buy into all the end of the world, Gates is the devil, mark of the beast idiocy. Don’t want the vaccine? Don’t get it.


11 posted on 12/16/2020 12:05:10 PM PST by ETCM
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To: Candor7

What is the dosage for ivermectin as a prophylaxis?


12 posted on 12/16/2020 12:18:37 PM PST by SACK UP
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To: SACK UP

What is the dosage for ivermectin as a prophylaxis?
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See pages 6 and 7
https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf


13 posted on 12/16/2020 12:38:46 PM PST by JCL3 (As Richard Feynman might have said, this is reality taking precedence over public relations.)
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For any interested in the nutritional approach to prevent or ameliorate the virus see here Dr Roger Seheult, MD:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha2mLz-Xdpg&feature=emb_logo

https://www.bitchute.com/video/HFbykZcEjnmA/

Dr. John Campbell discusses the fact that Ivermectin has been shown to work in clinical use:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLWQtT7dHGE&feature=emb_logo

Source—“Ivermectin Works, Vaccines Happening Now, Vit-D A Biggie”

https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/12/15/ivermectin-works-vaccines-happening-now-vit-d-a-biggie/


14 posted on 12/16/2020 12:55:17 PM PST by Ozark Tom
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To: Pining_4_TX

The argument is ridiculous. Immune response starts with the introduction of a pathogen, in this case a coronavirus. The pathogen uses the body’s genetic material to replicate itself until it reaches a level of saturation that causes a problem. When it becomes significant, the first responses are histamine reactions: when a cell breaks open and its contents spill out it causes an inflammation response from the histamines that are within cells being outside of cells. The symptoms are fever, coughing, sneezing, watery eyes, sometimes swelling or itching depending on where.

Meanwhile the causative organism is identified by immune cells, certain types of white blood cells. If the host has not died by this time, it starts making antibodies the are proteins that are specific to the outside of whatever virus is reproducing inside the body. The antibodies attach to the outside of viruses rendering them inert and then phagocytosis happens. Look it up.

After the body starts producing antibodies, immunity is achieved. This is the same for practically all viruses. If it weren’t we would have seen viruses before that you can’t get immunity from. There are probably some but I haven’t seen any examples. We are being told that immune response which is the same with almost every disease in the known universe somehow for this one particular virus it is somehow different.

It’s been millions of years for the incurable virus to be invented by the Chinese. Up until now our immune response has been dependable and predictable but supposed real doctors and scientists can’t be sure with this one particular virus.

The only way they can get away with saying it is that most people don’t really understand how immunity works. They don’t understand how viruses work. These facts, combined with the Theory of General Stupidity, which states that 50 percent of all people are of below average intelligence, makes us a pushover.

I personally am tired of arguing with stupid people that are stubbornly clinging to their misinformation when I know damn well that I am both smarter and better educated on the subject.


15 posted on 12/16/2020 1:19:48 PM PST by webheart (Coronavirus, I give up. Come get me.)
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To: Candor7

It’s an RNA virus. Change is it’s prime directive. The mRNA vaxes produce particular proteins.. apparently without transforming into dna using our genetic sequences. Maybe the protein they produce is specific to this years, maybe it isn’t. Up to them. Thankfully, the manufacturers and the deep state government medical bodiesare really working for our good.


16 posted on 12/16/2020 4:10:22 PM PST by momincombatboots (Ephesians 6... who you are really at war with)
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To: momincombatboots

apparently without transforming into dna using our genetic sequences>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I am not dissing the vaccines. Its just that its actually a genetic based therapy which invokes changes in our blood chemistry.

If I am accidentally returned to the vigor of my youth, I will not complain.


17 posted on 12/17/2020 5:17:19 AM PST by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism:http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html) )
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To: SACK UP

https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/Marik-Covid-Protocol-Summary.pdf


18 posted on 12/17/2020 5:30:12 AM PST by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism:http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html) )
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