Posted on 12/14/2020 10:57:28 AM PST by BlackFemaleArmyColonel
GOP presidential electors in Pennsylvania and Georgia cast ballots at their respective state capitols today for President Trump. The move is deigned to preserve the President's ability to continue his fight to overturn the election results in those states, which he claims was fraudulent.
(Excerpt) Read more at electionwiz.com ...
With litigation going on there as it’s going on now in 2020, things change:
Initially it appeared Republican candidate Richard Nixon had won in the state, as he was 141 votes ahead after the first count.
[2] A court-ordered recount was still underway when Hawaii’s Republican governor signed the certificate from the GOP electors giving the state’s three electoral votes to Nixon.
[2] On the same day, the Democratic electors also issued a certificate awarding the votes to Kennedy.
[3] The final recount showed Kennedy had actually prevailed, forcing the governor to sign the second certificate from the Democratic electors.
[4] Both certificates had arrived in Washington by the time Congress convened in January 1961, with then-Vice President Nixon charged with presiding over a joint session to certify his own election loss. Hearing no objections,
[4] Nixon ordered the Democratic certificate counted and ignored the accompanying Republican certificate,[2] even though it also bore the governor’s signature as required by federal law.
“The fascists gov and sos in Michigan have the state police surrounding the capital building in Lansing to prevent the Trump electors from meeting”
Source? Not doubting, just looking for confirmation. And it needs to be on the web in video.
If true, then the Gov and SoS are committing a crime and the cops involved are also in deep kimchee. Send in the National Guard and NOW invoke the insurrection act!
The electors can meet anywhere they like, though, I would think.
the USSC has no jurisdiction, only the legislatures.
Hip hop has that effect on me.
So I interpret your post to mean that according to the constitution all the electors must cast their votes today, but since there are multiple slates casting, the conflict has to be resolved at the congressional level. But any states that want to send competing electors must do so today. And you are saying that which slate of the two is the official slate, is not up to the SOS or Gov to decide.
Did I get that right?
If so, do the legislatures need to weigh in at all at this point? Do they still have a role?
Right...you’re listening to the Trump lawyers that have lost 40+ cases...bless their hearts..
“The governor of the state [Hawaii] then sent a letter to Congress in which he de-certified the original electors.”
The Governor had no power to certify nor decertify. Per Article 2 of the Constitution,
only the Legislature may choose electors. Whichever the Legislature originally chose [which I assume were those for Nixon], that’s whose electoral votes were cast. And the Vice President, head of the Senate, would have chosen those. Didn’t help Nixon, though, since Mayor Daley had already fixed the election for Kennedy.
“The source did not distinguish which slate was voting.”
Both slates vote. Then they get to duke it out during the joint session. Competing slates, just like in 1876.
I’m confused too.
Are electors suppose to vote for who their state certified and these guys are not?
Either way I hope sh*t hits the fan and Americans wake up! (Very slim chance but still a chance)
How many FR accounts do you have? DoodleDawg, DoodleBob?
This is fake news. The electors voted for Biden and those are the votes going to the senate. No other elector votes are being sent to the senate.
Way to many people on this site have been falling for this fake crap since the election.
The governor is irrelevant. His certification is not a constitutional function, just a ceremonial act delegated to him by the state legislature.
If the election was not conducted according to the rules set forth by the state legislature, then the legislature has every right to send an alternate slate of electors.
Those candles were fraudulent too ... the rats want us dead, not unified.
The Georgia courts and the Georgia authorities don't seem to agree with you.
How so?
Read the Constitution.
You mean like Article II and the 12th Amendment?
you’re the one that’s oblivious to the facts. read up lib
I am the one and only DoodleDawg.
“So I interpret your post to mean that according to the constitution all the electors must cast their votes today, but since there are multiple slates casting, the conflict has to be resolved at the congressional level. But any states that want to send competing electors must do so today. And you are saying that which slate of the two is the official slate, is not up to the SOS or Gov to decide.”
Yes. It’s up to the state legislatures to say if the second slate is valid. Once any pending litigation is resolved they may choose one slate over the other, or do nothing and leave the certification as it stands. But, again, any official not part of the state legislature is performing a ceremonial function.
‘and it went to Nixon...’
both parties sent certifictates from the electors to Washington, and in the joint session, as veep, Nixon ordered the dem certificate to be counted, and ignore the pub one, and certified his own election loss in the state...
In all likelihood they can declare an alternate slate, especially if the courts determine that the election was so fraudulent as to be invalid. But that is not the case here. The legislature did not appoint the GOP electors. The courts have not ruled the election to be invalid. This is a case where the electors are proclaiming themselves to be electors. Where does their validity come from?
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