it's still split
This "border in the Irish sea" kicks that political re-organization can down the road - as after this NI remains politically part of the UK, but trade-wise is part of the "Irish mini-trade union".
Posted on 12/09/2020 4:19:49 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
Theresa May famously told the British Parliament that "no UK prime minister could ever agree" to a border in the Irish Sea.
Boris Johnson later told a Democratic Unionist Party conference that "no British Conservative government could or should sign up to any such arrangement".
Their words have come back to haunt them.
By agreeing to implement the Northern Ireland protocol of the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement, the government is effectively establishing a border between Northern Ireland and Great Britain.
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I say this sincerely at face value.
So?
somewhat inevitable and obviously so from the beginning imho
Never say never.
I think they've agreed to something akin to setting up a border between New Mexico and the rest of the states.
Why did I chose New Mexico for my example? Because many liberals want to force Northern Ireland back into the Republic of Ireland against the will of the people who live there. I always want to know, would they also force New Mexico back into Mexico?
It's like have a border between two of our United States.
All of Aztlan.
#Reconquista
Why bother ?
People of Mexico, and elsewhere from Middle and South America, are already lining up at the border for when the border no longer exists under Biden.
Isn't the retail language already in New Mexico Spanglish ?
Perhaps the No. Ireland border will change in the future.
But parts of eastern Ulster clearly want to remain U.K.
The problem, as I understand it is that no one seems to want a ‘hard border’ between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland for lots of historical and practical reasons.
The Republic is a part of the E.U., the U.K. (including Northern Ireland) is not. The E.U. has free movement of goods and people between member states. A bottle of French wine, or a Frenchman is free to travel to the Republic with no border controls. If the wine or the Frenchman walk across the street (in many cases) into N.I. (with no hard border) who or what is to stop them?
But if the wine or the Frenchman then catch a ferry from Belfast to Liverpool at some point customs and immigration are going to get involved. N.I. goods and people get passed through, no problem, but E.U. people and goods are going to have to be checked and customs collected.
I can see why using the ocean border makes sense. It does create some problems but perhaps not as many as reestablishing between the Republic and Northern Ireland.
>> Would they also force New Mexico back into Mexico?
Yes!
Arizona, Texas, and Nevada too. They would probably want to keep California because Hollywood is there.
The six counties of Ulster which insisted on remaining part of the United Kingdom at the time of the partition did so mainly because they had a Protestant majority while what became the Republic of Ireland was overwhelmingly Catholic. Reports are that adherence to the Catholic Church has dropped dramatically in recent years in the Republic. The voters in the Republic voted in favor of same-sex marriage and for ending the ban on abortions. So maybe the main reason for Ulster to remain apart is disappearing.
Correct. This is the only way to have a Brexit. And the majority of NI voted remain in any case, so they get to politically be part of the UK but get all the benefits of a EU partner state (like Norway). Win-win
this is not like New Mexico. No part of NM wants to join Mexico. But a near majority of NI wants to join the RoI.
However if this is implemented, then there is no need for NI to join the RoI - it remains politically part of the UK. NI conducts the majority of its trade with RoI and that will be intact.
The RoI doesn’t want to absorb the NI right now.
This deal doesn’t force a political union - so the unionists will get a sop. The nationalists get an open border with the republic, so the extremists go away
Not really, it’s kinda like with the Channel islands
I believe you are presenting an internally contradictory argument.
it's still split
This "border in the Irish sea" kicks that political re-organization can down the road - as after this NI remains politically part of the UK, but trade-wise is part of the "Irish mini-trade union".
Correct - this is the best option. NI remains politically part of the UK and yet there is the Irish trade zone, so appeasing both sides.
Religion was a factor, but nationalism was the bigger factor.
The people of Northern Ireland are split between those who consider themselves Irish and those who consider themselves Ulster British.
The Ulster British are the descendants of Scots who were brought as labour by the English centuries ago.
What is interesting is that in the Republic of Ireland, many of the 19th century leaders of the movement for independence were PROTESTANTS. The first President of the Republic of Ireland was a Protestant.
The English who came over to Ireland to rule soon became very Irish - more Irish than the Irish themselves.
But the lower class Scots had to keep a sense of separation so that built up (that’s true everywhere - those one step ABOVE are more vehement than those many steps above)
Now many Ulstermen see the concept of “Britishness” going away as there is the rise of English and Scottish nationalism. At the same time they see they have more in common with the Irish across the border.
It isn’t just about Catholic vs. Protestant; the historically and genetically Irish people in the north wanted unification, while those transplanted from the island of Britain for centuries to lay claim to it (Scots, English) wanted to remain part of the UK.
Andrew Jackson was “Scots-Irish”; he wasn’t Irish in any sense except that his ancestors had moved to Ireland from Scotland on their way here.
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