Posted on 12/02/2020 3:22:34 PM PST by Pollard
LIVE: Trump Attorney Rudy Giuliani at Michigan House Oversight Committee
It's amazing that a month has gone by and this rep still doesn't understand that it's an audit and not a recount that's needed.
Would Trump let the nation fall into violence? Even if it means preserving / reestablishing the integrity of our elections? I tend to agree with Gen. McInerny....I don’t have faith in the judges or congresscritters, so extreme action may be on the table. I wish it wasn’t so.
Thanks for your observations.
My main concern is the voting machines - too many people have testified to ballots being entered over and over; and the Colonel has repeatedly testified as to the capability of the machines dumping a batch of votes for one candidate to the other.
Could you explain to us the difference between a recount and an audit? (And how would that rectify the problems that have been presented regarding the machines?)
It may come to that
Yeah THAT OLD THING won 1/3 of the cointies Obama won yet won 11 million more votes than Obama. Rrrright.
> Not enough time for a revote.
> The remedy is for the legislators to take back their right to pick electors and then to vote according to how their constituents would want the electors to be assigned.
It certainly seems like a tall order to expect legislatures to do the right thing (not just to recognize that a wrong has been done).
I suppose we will know fairly soon if the legislative buzz talk centers around fixing this election or some election in the future. the latter *might* save the current office holders (including republicans many of whom got a second wind from trump in this year’s elections), but will chart a new course for the country towards socialism under the all important presidency.
A Valid signature check is really what it’s all about.
All the world’s indeed a stage and most politicians are actors and/or scoundrels.
After this hearing, I don’t see any hope for repub majority legislators choosing Trump electors which is what Rudy’s objective was. Trump himself said he’s not confident in the supreme court.
I think it’s done. Expect many many vanities in the coming days/weeks. Trump sure has illuminated things for better or worse. I don’t think he realized that so many people have no bottom limit to their morals on the left and no courage on the right.
They separated many of the ballots from the envelopes that the ballots arrived in - just threw the envelopes away.
I think Sidney has said that they did this in lots of ways - every way imaginable, and some not even imaginable by decent people.
there are various flavors of both recounts and audits.
electronic image ballot recount (dominion scans or scams ballot images)
a physical ballot recount
a RLA or risk limiting audit, actually a statistical sample physical or image recount
a non-process audit - various arithmetic columns are cross totalled with end sum tallying
a process audit - looking at how the process did or did not function according to design
(i’m sure this just scratches the surface so someone can embellish or replace this)
The left is ticking me off. We had to put up with their protesting every single day. Burning cities down, looting. Well, they can sit down now because we have something to say. If they don’t like it, don’t listen. But, they need to shush it up now. We’re talking now.
How would you put all of that data into language that the Supremes could deal with?
(Sorry if I’m being dense.)
well, we could always take a second look at a quick special election if all other (peaceful) options seem to come up dry.
the do-over cost would presumably be on each swing state (and the candidates should all receive some campaign supplement imho), but at least it would seem to be better than a cold (or hot) civil war ii. also, the mail in balloting would need to go (bug or no bug); a halfway decent rationale would be that the calendar simply does not permit it. the problem could be further subdivided into presidential versus non presidential and addressed separately, with fixing the lower elections having to wait a couple of years.
it’s difficult under the time constraints, but then so is sending a man to the moon (although some allege that never occurred lol). and it would offload some of the responsibility of legislators voiding election results (no matter how fake those results are). everything would need to be doubletimed. a longer term advantage might be a quick overhaul of and generation of standards for election systems.
they need to shush it up
They would say Shut the F up and get in your face while saying it.
the fire breathing idealist in me would not mind. OTOH, i am regrettably no longer a spring chicken and standing, camping and marching in cold, rain and snow might not be my strongest suit at this point in my life. not to mention i don’t have any particular training (i’d probably make pretty good cannon fodder and otherwise accomplish very little else of any significance lol).
lately i have been contemplating questions of fight or flight that i have not given serious thought to since the vietnam era. i am many years past my expiration date according to the formal definition of the unorganized militia. i could take a pass on that basis (but it seems like shirking to the idealist in me).
ok, a potential scenario. it’s jan. 21 and biden searches for the big gesture as a sop to the radical leftists. he decrees that gaps be dynamited in the trump wall at 10 mile intervals. plus, no limits to h1b imports in silicon valley, route 128, research triangle, etc.
immigrants stream in. in some cases, local crime rates soar and/or white collar unemployment spikes.
people get upset. the cities are targeted for truck roadblocks.
authorities clear the roadblocks, but they are soon reinstated, and additionally, power lines are cut.
mass migrations start. innocent civilian casualties from people just trying to avoid danger climb. a tipping point is reached. roving bands of looters and rioters assert themselves, soon enough taken over by local lords who battle underfunded and undersupported civilian police. national guard is — what — too little and too late. the country fragments into fiefdoms. a military survives to defend against foreign invasions, but only tenuously. it also breaks into two factions, with occasional open fights, some skirmishes, and much of the time trying to avoid direct confrontations.
a rebel contingent asks for trump leadership but he was not duly elected and so perhaps feels compelled to avoid leading. his name is used by rebels anyways, and the feds do what— commence bombing? road checkpoints? rationing? mass arrests and detention camps? a full hot land war of urban areas against rural areas?
what is the end? i do not know. i hope it does not even start...
if one swing state opted for a revote, it might shame the other swing states to do the same. however one state has to be brave and be the first.
A full audit would look at everything. One of the things it would look at is signature matches - especially comparing the signatures on the mail in envelopes and the voter’s signature that’s on file.
A recount is just recounting the ballots, but bad ballots are mixed in with good ones now, so that doesn’t tell you much. Garbage in, garbage out.
Very nervous, and... seeing as she’s worked at the City of Detroit and is now a chief engineer— she is scared. She loves the city but is finding out how nasty the nastys can be.
Noticed she fiddled with a rosary entire testimony and her sign off was thanking Jesus. A Catholic Indian naturalized American citizen with 3 children all of whom are physicians. Hard to understand with accent, but no dummy and credible. She always does things according to the Michigan elections rule book, unlike all the “names” she named (and pissed off the low level State Reps on this panel— one of whom Rudy studiously avoided tangling with- Italian last name, came off like some mobsters entitled brat— who uh, would not like Rudy for the RICO prosecution of mafia in NY).
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